miss_s_b: (Politics: Post Feminism)miss_s_b ([personal profile] miss_s_b) wrote,
@ 2010-07-16 11:45 pm UTC
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Current location:in bed
Current mood: depressed
Current music:Saturday Live on the radio
Entry tags:blogging, feminism, wangst
Because I am poorly and have no spoons, I got into a fight I possibly shouldn't have started last night, with someone who winds me up with his sexist behaviour at regular intervals. I'm not going to link to it, because I don't want this post to be about that specific incident, but about the generality. It ended up with him saying to me that I have no right to complain about him not linking to women's views unless I, personally, spoonfeed him women's views to link to.

Now, my instinctive reaction to that is to think fuck you! Why should I do all your work for you, you lazy git?... But that's possibly counterproductive for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, as I have discussed before, men will happily self-promote in ways that women won't. Mediocre men will shout from the rooftops about how awesome they are, and the more mediocre they are, the more they shout; awesome women, because of shyness, or socialisation that women who shout are harpies, or insecurity about their awesomeness, are much less likely to self-promote. This is made worse by the fact that very few people will look beyond what is waved in front of their faces, so the shouty men get noticed and the quiet women don't; very few people are willing to hurt somebody else (of whatever gender) by telling them they are mediocre if they are, and so the mediocre people get promotion they don't deserve, just by being shouty (Iain Dale is a PRIME example of that); and thus the cycle that to be noticed half as much as a man, a woman has to be twice as good continues in our supposedly post-feminist times.

The second reason my reaction is counter-productive is male priviledge. Male opinion aggregators are used to being spoonfed. This is unfair and annoying, but telling them to look beyond their spoonfeeding is telling them to do more work that they don't see a reason to do. Even if that were not the case, it takes a special kind of person to resist being spoonfed, why would anybody give themselves extra work to do?

This gives us two reasons why the blokosphere is self-perpetuating, and those two reasons feed into and reinforce each other. Even a completely non-sexist feminist ally man will often unconsciously perpetuate sexism under these circumstances. This is a problem I have been talking about for years, and I still don't have a suitable sword to cut this Gordian Knot. Nobody else seems to have one either.

How do we go about forging one, people?



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[identity profile] joeotten.blogspot.com
2010-07-17 07:19 pm UTC (link)
OK so maybe this is just ignorance, so by all means tell me to RTFM, or have a go, or whatever, but I have some sympathy with Stephen here. And I haven't seen the original dispute so I am probably missing something important.

If the problem is differential amounts of self-publicity (and mutual publicity) between men and women on average, and you don't have a good solution, then how's Stephen going to have a good solution either?

The blogosphere is buried in a sea of mediocrity, and so the amount of publicity is everything. Well and quality. But if you look beyond what has publicity and quality, then 99% will be mediocre and you will be wasting your time.

We all in a sense read what we have stumbled upon rather than what is great - hence our contempt of the willy waving competition - and linkblogging is much the same. If we had a duty to link on merit rather than by accident, then linkblogging would be impossible. And a linkblogger who linked to equal numbers of men and women, still wouldn't be treating fairly the individual women whose blogs are better than any of them. And it's about fairness to individuals, rather than arbitrarily defined groups in the end isn't it?

Also - said at great risk I feel - I'm not convinced that there is no genetic element to the average difference in appetite for self-promotion between men and women. Millennia of selective evolutionary pressure seem to have rewarded men for appearing to excel and women for being safe. Clearly there is socialisation going on as well, which can and should be fought against, but I fear we humans are imperfectible on this score.

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