A poll about the Doctor Who Christmas Special

[miss_s_b]

Poll #5452 Moffat's "sexism"

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Christmas Doctor Who had an actual woman in a refrigerator because....

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Moffat really is that clueless about sexist scifi tropes
19 (55.9%)

Moffat thought "well if they're going to accuse me of being sexist..."
15 (44.1%)

Thanks for all the birthday wishes, by the way. ♥

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Comments

[pickwick]

Ha, that didn't actually register with me. Fail.

(Happy birthday!)

[matgb]

I'm wondering if it was deliberate, and an attempt to subvert the trope?

[gominokouhai]

It's the opposite of the fridge trope, shirley. They took her /out/ of the fridge. Several times.

[perlmonger]

They kept her in the fridge, taking her out when they felt convenient. It's not as though they knew about her shelf life at that point.

[shishmish]

I am resisting the urge to go onto Tv Tropes now. And if I do, I'm blaming you!

[innerbrat]

Why? The trope wasn't in the slightest bit subverted.

If I were judging its deliberation, I would look for the following clues:

- some sort of reference to the DC Uinverse in which the trope originated.
- some sort of demnstration of the man's reaction after her death.
- the dead woman's body being in the fridge after she died.

Having not seen the episode in question...

[daweaver]

I can confidently say that I have no clue what on earth any of you are talking about, and hence have no opinion on the question asked. Cor, I'm never going to make a good policitian, is I?

That said, I do wish to associate myself with the general good wishes and festivities in miss_s_b's direction. Happy birthday, and much much love.

[sassy_scot]

There were men in fridges too. They could have defrosted one of the Three Tenors and had it sing to the shark, but I'm not sure it would have been the same. And no, I would have had absolutely no objection whatever if Kazran had fallen in love with a bloke from a freezer.

[davegodfrey]

I think in the context of the story it makes sense why they kept putting her back in the fridge- Karzan Snr would be wondering why his "security" is walking around singing to the fish. Wake her up, give her a good time, pop her back before anyone notices, and feel like you're doing something fun, naughty, and subversive all at the same time.

But I wasn't particularly impressed though.

[londonkds]

Happy birthday!

[lizw]

I think that would have been rather wonderful.

[gominokouhai]

She knew. And as soon as she told Kazran he stopped doing it. For her benefit.

[spiderplanet]

Holy cow! I didn't catch that and now I feel a bit foolish for missing it. Yes, you're right of course.

I'm pretty sure I could mark off a few on my bingo card with "There were men in fridges too." and "It was an attempt to subvert the trope."

1 - Google "But men are drawn unrealistically too!"
2 - Episodic television that only barely passes the Bechdel Test is not attempting to subvert anything.

[von_geisterhand]

Oh, I had somehow blocked out the fact that Moffat wrote "Dr. Who". Having just watched "Jekyll", I probably should finally get round to "Who". (Big fan of "Coupling", me. ;-)

[el_staplador]

I failed to notice that Abigail was a woman - because I was too busy trying to remember from which Philip K. Dick short story the Moff pinched the counting-down refrigerators. (In the story, whichever it is, there are all sorts of people in the fridges; I can remember very little else about it - but it wouldn't surprise me if he remembered the story and failed to recognise it as a trope.)