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Using the political compass model, I have made a picture of where the four parties I am somewhat familiar with are currently positioned in my view.

The large patches are the party membership. The small circles are the party leadership. I have added the names of some people to illustrate where I think they go; I'm sure they'll have arguments. Obviously this is just something I have knocked up in two minutes in the graphics prog and is subject to refinement, but I wanted to illustrate that
  1. there are broad churches in all the major parties.
  2. That all the parties have some areas of overlap.
  3. That the leadership of all three parties is not necessarily in tune with the Mainstream of opinion in their party.
  4. That the left is REALLY badly represented in the current iteration of the Westminster bubble
If I was any good at 3d graphics I'd be adding a third axis of Radical - conservative too.

As you can see, in terms of left and right I'm actually not that far away from, for example, Tony Blair. But in terms of liberal and authoritarian, we're poles apart. I don't wish to overcomplicate matters for our poor dear journalists, but I do think that linear descriptions of whether someone is left or right is not enough to describe someone's political position.

Also, if I get another email from Our Glorious Leader claiming that we "own the freehold on the centre ground" of british politics I may just scream. Sure, some of us are central on the left-right axis, but in all other respects we are nowhere near the bloody centre, and it's misrepresentation to claim that we are.

ETA: also neatly illustrating that Charlotte Gore is Not A Tory ;)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
My main complaint there is that it's the opposite way up to the one on the political compass website, which made my brain ache for a few moments while I tried to work out when the Lib Dems went all authoritarian.

Other than that - awesome work.
Edited ( ) Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:06 pm (UTC)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:24 pm (UTC)
strangecharm: stick figure with long hair saying "there's still time to leave and find a non-crazy girl" (Default)
From: [personal profile] strangecharm
That briefly stymied me too (my husband and other people I know refer to themselves as "bottom-left corner types" so it's enough of A Thing for that), but the word "Liberal" being in big letters right next to the yellow bit sorted me out pretty quickly :)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:40 pm (UTC)
strangecharm: stick figure with long hair saying "there's still time to leave and find a non-crazy girl" (Default)
From: [personal profile] strangecharm
I was thinking that too; it's like why Australians put themselves at the top of their maps! ;)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:45 pm (UTC)
strangecharm: stick figure with long hair saying "there's still time to leave and find a non-crazy girl" (Default)
From: [personal profile] strangecharm

I only learned this from the West Wing episode with the Cartographers for Social Equality on it. Which is will worth a watch :)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strangecharm
well worth, even. I'm sorry miss, I have a cold.

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:58 pm (UTC)
strangecharm: stick figure with long hair saying "there's still time to leave and find a non-crazy girl" (hat)
From: [personal profile] strangecharm
You know I love you, right?

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Missing UKIP ;-)

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gwenhwyfaer
Is there a questionnaire thingy with that additional third axis floating around anywhere?

what if!

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] https://profiles.google.com/me.minard/about
what if all candidates had to complete a 'political compass' questionnaire for the result to be published on the ballot paper! Wouldn't that be fun!

Re: what if!

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] https://profiles.google.com/me.minard/about
you mean, like I could be a "centrist"!?! I was surprised that Obama was well to my right!

Re: what if!

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pseudomonas
Right-wing Tories are fairly leftist in US terms. Most of them are OK with the idea of state-funded universal healthcare (Daniel Hannan and Andrew Lansley aside), for instance.

Re: what if!

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 09:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strangecharm
Yep, hot-button issues in the U.S., like abortion, the death penalty, civil partnerships, health care, guns, etc.etc... even the right-wingers here don't seriously contend that those things should be the way they are. Even if Lansley got his way with the NHS, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad as the U.S. system.

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] etoile
I think I live in that little empty, Bermuda-esque triangle between green, yellow and red. Doesn't help me a great deal politically but it does explain why four pairs of scissors and numerous socks have vanished inside my bedroom.


Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] po8crg
Why is there that big white triangle on the right?

... and I know once I ask the question. It's not that there aren't any Tories there, it's that there aren't any people there. The traditionalist moderate Tory is somewhere between Gove and the BBC, but there really are few that are radically-right on economics and not either libertarian or conservative on social issues.

Actually, you could put that on a fourth axis - intensity. People with intense political opinions on one subject tend to be people with intense political opinions on all subjects. The white patch in the centre is mostly people who just aren't that bothered about politics.

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkesworks
Very interesting, though IMO this overestimates the "left/authoritarianism" of the LibDems (and the Cons, come to think of it) wildly - note the party at large != the kind of people who comment here on a regular basis - and is quite flattering to Michael Portillo and (especially) Ken Clarke, both of whom would still be (just) in the bottom-right quarter to my eyes. The analysis of Labour, sadly, looks more correct; there are still a hell of a lot of Mrs Duffys around.

You have, however, got it bang on with Dorries.

Date: Sunday, May 15th, 2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daweaver
By means of contrast, I ran a similar exercise in April 2008, mapping the (then) European Parliament groupings against the PC square.

Readers of this blog will note that this is based on the European grouping, which is somewhat more economically liberal than its GB member.

Date: Tuesday, May 17th, 2011 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I would make the Green range much bigger, much of the left two-thirds of the chart. It is difficult though because they don't consistently belong anywhere on left-right. If left-right is about what class gets the next share of an increasing pie, where do you plot someone who wants to shrink the pie? If it is about what kind of economic system works, where do you plot someone who wants the economic system to fail? (If they advocate the policies of left, they must believe the warnings of the right, and vice versa.)

While two dimensions are better than one, I don't think dimensions, i.e. numerical measurements can do political beliefs justice, and it would be really cool to have some kind of graphical representation using nodes for ideas without making it about numbers. [Note to self: do this]

Maths question

Date: Tuesday, February 5th, 2013 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So why aren't the shapes convex?

If you are politically in between two people who both belong in party X, doesn't that mean you belong in party X too?

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