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[personal profile] miss_s_b
I read this this morning, and my immediate thought was YES!

Part of the reason I never got on with Russel T Davies' vision of Doctor Who was that it was so clear he had grown up wanting to be the Doctor's COMPANION. I never wanted to travel WITH the Doctor; I wanted to BE the Doctor. I wanted to be Dennis the Menace and Batman and Mr Spock and Judge Dredd too. And I wanted to be Freddie Mercury and Alice Cooper and Bruce Dickinson. And later I wanted to be Rumpole, or Paddy Ashdown. Like the first commenter on that post, it never occurred to me (and I thank my Dad for that) that because all my heroes were boys, I wasn't supposed to want to be like them, I was supposed to want to be WITH them, to be their soppy female helpmeet.

My Holly wants to be a Green Lantern.



At least that's a narrative possibility - there ARE female green lanterns, even if they are generally peripheral to the male ones.

I hate this world, that it tries to frustrate her dreams of awesomeness and give her dreams of playing second fiddle instead. My little girl is amazing, and she deserves to have amazing heroes to look up to and dream of emulating. Why is there still, after so many years, only a handful? Why do Ripley and Wonder Woman have to shoulder this burden alone? DAMMIT, WORLD, GIVE ME MORE FEMALE HEROES!

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:22 pm (UTC)
trialia: River Song (played by Alex Kingston) smiling serenely at the camera while saying 'There's always a way out.' (who] river - always a way out)
From: [personal profile] trialia
Honestly, I think this is why it's taken me until very recently to be interested in Who at all - because it was River Song that captured my interest and actually got me into the fandom at last. I adore the woman, and a good part of why I watch her episodes is because she is such an equal to the Doctor, so much more than any companion I've ever seen. She doesn't always follow him - sometimes she even drags him kicking and screaming where SHE wants to go, and I love that about her. That and, unf, Alex Kingston always was really hot and age just seems to be intensifying that in her.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:37 pm (UTC)
trialia: River Song (played by Alex Kingston) smiling serenely at the camera while saying 'There's always a way out.' (who] river - always a way out)
From: [personal profile] trialia
Mm.

It's not really about the Doctor's gender in itself, so much as that I like feeling I can identify with characters, and I could never really identify with the Doctor until recently. I think part of it could be that Matt is also a lot closer to my age than any previous Doctor has been. That said, I'd kill to have them write the next one as female-identified - that would be a departure and pretty damn cool. There's some wonderful fanfic out there that writes the Doctor as a woman and married to River. Though I'm sure there would be howls from some quarters. But this queer woman wouldn't mind that at ALL.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:39 pm (UTC)
trialia: River Song with cascading blonde curls at Amy's wedding, saying 'yes' to the Doctor, with the text 'always.' in script. (who] river - always yes)
From: [personal profile] trialia
*grins* That, too. I definitely liked Vastra and Jenny.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
There were plenty of companions in the classic series who were every bit the Doctor's equal - Liz Shaw, Romana and Zoe spring to mind. While the old series had companions stereotyped as screamers, it's really only in the new series that they've seemed completely dependent on the character calling himself the Doctor.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:34 pm (UTC)
trialia: River Song (played by Alex Kingston) smiling serenely at the camera while saying 'There's always a way out.' (who] river - always a way out)
From: [personal profile] trialia
The only one I've ever seen from the old series that I liked was Sarah Jane, but I really haven't seen that much of the older episodes. I detested Rose, Martha seems a bit too much of a follower, Donna is patchy and Amy ... well. But I've heard a lot about Romana and she sounds like someone I'd like.

River, however, is a really good summary, in herself, of my tendencies in liking female characters - strong, mature, confident without being arrogant, can be kind, is not a follower by nature... and she's fantastic.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Watch City Of Death. I think you'll fall in love with Romana.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
trialia: River Song with cascading blonde curls at Amy's wedding, saying 'yes' to the Doctor, with the text 'always.' in script. (who] river - always yes)
From: [personal profile] trialia
Thanks for that. I'll look it up :)

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] londonkds
Romana varies with the story in how much she gets to do. All the old-school female companions who were conceived as being some use in their own right do still have moments or entire stories where writers do them as "generic thing to get into trouble and be rescued". For Romana, I'd recommend in particular "City of Death" and "Warrior's Gate". Do NOT under any circumstances watch "Power of Kroll", although that one is generally crap.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:57 pm (UTC)
telegramsam: Doctor Who in a library (5thdocbooks)
From: [personal profile] telegramsam
Some of the earliest companions were pretty useless (Hartnell & Troughton era, though even then that's only some companions some of the time), and I think it was also a few of the JNT-era companions who were responsible for that stereotype like Peri & Mel.

Though even Peri could be rather defiant toward the doctor and was hardly a pushover, and Mel... well she definitely screamed, and she's not my favorite companion but her successor, Ace, is probably one of my all-time favorite companions. She beat up daleks with a baseball bat. :P

Really with the old series, the companions tended not to be all that consistent between different writers. Some gave them stronger roles than others, so it's all over the map...

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Yeah, on paper Mel's actually an interesting character - she's a computer programmer, after all, and could have been another Zoe. But... definitely wasn't.
Peri had all sorts of problems, but I think Nicola Bryant managed to give her some sort of consistent personality that wasn't just dependent on the Doctor.
But yeah, they varied enormously with the writers.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:33 pm (UTC)
telegramsam: Doctor Who in a library (5thdocbooks)
From: [personal profile] telegramsam
I think it's worth mentioning that Peri & Mel have both fared much better in recent years as Big Finish companions.

Peri's one of my favorite BF companions even though I didn't really take to her much on screen (not having to look at those ridiculous outfits they used to put her in anymore helps enormously, as well). Nicola Bryant is actually a pretty damn good actress I think. But a poorly written part, well you can only do so much with it.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Nicola Bryant was also saddled with that ridiculous accent, which she moderated on audio. But I agree, she's done some *VERY* good work for Big Finish - I think Peri And The Piscon Paradox is one of the best things anyone's done with Doctor Who in any medium.
But she was surprisingly good in Trial, as well. Despite some horrible scripts, the body language she and Colin Baker use manages to convince me at least of the relationship between the two.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 12:43 pm (UTC)
telegramsam: Mister Flibble is Very Cross (Rimmer)
From: [personal profile] telegramsam
My mother has a polaroid photo of me somewhere, where I am 4 years old and dressed up as Superman for halloween. Not Lois Lane, not Wonder Woman or Supergirl, Superman. Spit-curl and all.

And thank God she was too sensible to care what the other parents thought of allowing her precious snowflake to dress up as a boy character *gasphorrors* (there is in fact a Wonder Woman in the same photo, actually, but I think I would have been an annoyed toddler indeed if somebody else had been in the same costume).

And for the rest of my childhood, I think other than dressing up as a witch one year, none of them were girly. I was a ghost at least twice, a wizard one year (crazy fake beard included), a tiger, and a dragon.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
I so wanted to be the Doctor. Or Alice Cooper. Or Ian Botham, Freddie Mercury, Mr Spock, James Bond (Timothy Dalton version for preference), Avon, Batman, Viv Richards... Still do in most cases.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I wanted to be d'Artagnon. Or John Roxton. Or the sister of one of these awesome men who was just as awesome.

Basically, I wanted to be Marie-Suzanne d'Artagnon.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 01:46 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
Ooooh hasn't she grown up! *feels old*

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 02:03 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
To add to your blog. I know what you mean. My rolemodels were because of who they were not their gender. I grew up up with reruns of 60s Batman so no Harley Quinn, but I loved Batman, Robin and Batman, watched He-man as well as She-Ra, sang along to Jem, loved the sword in Thundercats, as well as Thunderbirds and Stingray.

No Doctor Who as that aired past my bedtime of 6.45 but I do remember watching Seven/Ace once.

Date: Monday, July 11th, 2011 07:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blazingskies
What makes thing even more difficult is that anyone trying to write a story starring a female hero is told, repeatedly, that 'female heroes don't sell'. Which is bullcrap, they would sell just fine if people write them well and convincingly without turning them into personality-free eye candy, but most times if you see a female hero on the front of a comic, she is there for T+A appeal and very little else. A comic reviewer called Linkara rants extensively on this subject.

Even worse, female authors - particularly in the so-called 'genre fiction' area, just aren't taken as seriously. An acquaintance of mine recently wrote about her experience with writing for the Black Library (the publishing arm of Games Workshop, for the uninitiated) when she mentioned she was writing military SF, people would look at her oddly and say:
'But...you're a girl!' like she was breaking some unspoken taboo.

It drives me nuts. It really does. But I don't know how to fix it, short of bagging my head against that brick wall until it breaks...and I think my head might break first.

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