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[personal profile] miss_s_b
I possibly got it wrong, but I thought the leadership programme was supposed to be to help people who were disadvantaged in means to get political experience to get ahead in the party. I didn't realise it was just a not-pale-and/or-male preferred candidates list. Disadvantaged, to me, does not JUST mean being a woman or being LGBT+ or BAME. If you've been an elected mayor, or you are the Deputy Chair of the Parliamentary Candidate Association, or you are the wife of a currently serving junior minister, that does not scream disadvantage to me.

Please note that I am not saying that any of the people on the list would not be great MPs: I'm sure quite a lot of them would - I was particularly pleased to see one of my favourite people, Belinda Brooks-Gordon, on there - but I am very worried that my definition of disadvantage is radically out of step with the rest of the world. I love Belinda to bits, but she's a very canny political operator and (I hope she won't be offended by me saying this) is someone who most local parties would happily select as a candidate, not someone who needs an extra leg up to get ahead of the competition.

I genuinely think some elements of this list are a total gift to our detrators. I hope I'm wrong.

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In politics people will use any means to get an advantage. That means that when you set up a system to help genuinely disadvantaged groups people who aren't genuinely disadvantaged but can get themselves into one of the target groups will take full advantage of that opportunity.

When we had women only shortlists we ended up with 50% women MEPs. However none of them had school age children and many had no children (so I'm told by a reputable source - I've not checked that out so apols if I'm wrong)

That's one reason why I tediously go on about how BAME is defined when people talk about BAME shortlists because sooner or later we will have a Boris Johnston/Lembit Opik type figure who (re)defines themselves as BAME to get a "leg up" in the system.

Other than narrow definition I don't see how you can avoid that and such schemes as this have to be set up on the basis that the best not be the enemy of the good.

Anyway - how are you these days. Don't know much of what yoru doing now you inhabit the alternate universe of Google+ :-)

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 07:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
More evidence that in recent years the LibDem leadership has fallen into the hands of yet another group of people who think that substance and public relations are the same thing...

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] priggy.wordpress.com
Do you know where the list of people on the programme are?

I know of one person from Scotland whose on it - Katy Gordon and well she doesn't strike me as someone who needs help. She is incredibly confident and has been selected for a seat before, her problem as is the problem for all LDs not just "minorities" is that she can't get elected.

I don't know her very well but she doesn't strike me as the type of woman who needs help or is in anyway disadvantaged!

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
It was emailed out as part of the press release, so it must be online somewhere, we both got sent the PDF. There are some very competent and capable people on the list, some of whom I've a lot of time for. Which is part of the problem, as while I'm fairly well informed for me to recognise a lot of them means it's hardly new people.

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] priggy.wordpress.com
interesting. Found press release on LibDem site launching it and announcing participants but no list of participants.

Date: Monday, January 16th, 2012 09:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] softfruit
If I remember right the motion setting it up was originally about under-represented groups (and I think defined them as women, BAME and disabled) and the amendment from Delga-as-was added LGBT+ and socio-economically challenged. With iirc some reserved %ages for women and BAME and disabled candidates?

So e.g. Belinda does fit that profile, and so do you. I'm surprised no-one pressed you forward to go for it -- I picked someone else to pressgang and would have just assumed someone nearer you would have arm-twisted you about it, am now kicking myself I didn't poke you about it!

Date: Tuesday, January 17th, 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
I'm surprised no-one pressed you forward to go for it -- I picked someone else to pressgang and would have just assumed someone nearer you would have arm-twisted you about it, am now kicking myself I didn't poke you about it!

This.

And, in future? I'm really awesome at form-filling. I'm happy to help, if it's that kind of thing keeping you from it (I mean ffs this is the kind of disadvantage we should be thinking about in these kinds of programs!).

Date: Wednesday, January 18th, 2012 12:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
Yeah; I'm good at cleaning friends' houses, enough that I've been paid for it, but my own is a tip.

It's a standing offer; I'm always happy to help with stuff like this. And it'd be lovely to see you again anyway :)

Why not apply?

Date: Wednesday, January 18th, 2012 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Which makes you exactly the sort of person who should be on it Jennie!

I've seen the list too, and am puzzled as to how some of those on there have got there, if it is to represent those who wouldn't be able to get there all else being equal. However, the rest does look good and certainly not a list of someone's 'favourites'!

Maybe the process is still a bit self-selecting by not looking to outreach, meaning that some really good people who lack the self-confidence (or hubris) to put themselves forward don't apply.

PS your OpenID login doesn't work!

Gareth E

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