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... it's mostly bored resignation that in the midst of mouthing off about diversity, Clegg promotes two white middle class middle aged cisgendered het men, rather than one of the vastly more capable women he has available to him. I can't bring myself to be angry about it, like Caron is. I just don't have the energy any more. My irony meter went sproing a long time ago. It's like the fact that while the Welfare Reform Bill was going through Cameron was hosting a party for Children in Need. Because there's going to be so many more of them, now they've forced the Welfare Reform BIll through.

Of course, the fact that it's Ed Davey who has been promoted to Huhne's job is, as the fabulous Epps points out, just the polish on the turd.

The stench of hypocrisy adhering to the leadership of my party is really getting pungent now. I didn't get into politics to make the disabled suffer for no good reason, or to cause people weaker than me pain just because I could, and I didn't do it to pay lipservice to diversity while all the time maintaining the status quo either. If I wanted to do that I'd have become a member of the Cornerstone Group of the Tories.

I didn't do that. I joined the Lib Dems. And increasingly, these days, I'm wondering why I bothered. I keep coming back to this one thing: what's the point of a democratic conference if the parliamentarians just ignore it? I'd like to hear a convincing answer to that.

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
I didn't know about Ed Davey's collusion with lobbyists - still, it suggests he's on the same wavelength as Cameron, who sees government as an exercise in public relations for its own sake, appealing to the audiences which he understands and/or thinks are important. This is not a good thing.

Sadly the business confirms my impression of Nick Clegg as a leader too willing to work within the mould of British politics rather than break it, or (perhaps more appropriately nowadays) blast it with mould-remover.

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] sassy_scot
Having thought a little more, I am pissed off, no doubt, but there may be a silver lining. If Jo, someone who gets what women need from their Government, is there with an overview of everything that goes on in the Government, that might work quite well. But mostly I am sick fed up of good women being passed over.

What keeps me going is that there is a lot of good stuff going on - look at Clegg on mental health. When did you last see amy, and particularly a male Government minister really champion decent help for people and raising awareness? I still have a lot of faith in him.

I am furious about welfare reform, which makes tuition fees look like a cuddling session in a Build a Bear shop, but generally I think it would be all so much more horrendous if we weren't there.

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepotterblogger.blogspot.com
I feel much the same as you but what I remember is that our conference unanimously backed the ESA motion - the people in this party are still the same. I've felt rather depressed about the whole situation lately but the only solution I can see is to keep fighting. When we know what we know, we can't just forget about it. Giving up is not an option for us.

So instead we'll have to do what every other labourer for a great cause throughout history has done - hold our ground and slowly, slowly, keep inching forwards, even in the face of set backs that make us wonder what's it all for. That's how universal suffrage was achieved and that's how slavery was ended and that's how the welfare state was created. It's soul destroying at times but we can't ever give in.

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pseudomonas
Yes, but we're not supposed to have to be inching forwards in the face of our own supposed leadership!

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepotterblogger.blogspot.com
Quite - so the first task is to do something about the leadership. Personally my favourite idea is beating them round the head with the constitution - though something slightly less satisfying, but more practical, might be a better option.

Date: Saturday, February 4th, 2012 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
We have voices. We can use them. If the leadership tells us to naff off, we work toward getting a leadership that doesn't say that. There's always possibilities.

Date: Saturday, February 4th, 2012 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
That come out a bit glib, didn't it?

Date: Friday, February 3rd, 2012 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's not a new question, mind.

I was full of so much rage when the party of LGBT equality gave its MPs a free vote on the Age of Consent in 1994. Yes, the Reds and Blues were doing that too, but the whole POINT of Liberals being about the right to be different (rather than an economic sectionalist ideology) - surely the Lib Dems ought to have a three-line whip on equality. Even if yes those MPs did go and vote the right way and yes Labour did stop equality and blah blah.

So I left the party, and after a short while came back because frustratingly it is our sci-fi cliche Last Best Hope. But I've had that little stone of cynicism about the parliamentary lot ever since.

I'm not sure this comment does anything more than vent old spleen. Ah well.

Date: Saturday, February 4th, 2012 08:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] djm4
I have a lot of the same thoughts, but...

They don't *always* ignore it. Much of our manifesto cane from it, and much of our manifesto is being implemented. Shared parental leave came from it, as you know better than anyone. Changes were made to the Health Bill after conference asked for them - maybe not *because* we asked, and maybe not enough, but we did still get to ask and appeared to be listened to. Same-sex marriage is likewise firmly on the agenda.

Possibly it's not worth it. Perhaps the fact that the leadership seems to feel free to ignore the bits that it doesn't like makes the whole thing invalid (I'm not sure even that's entirely fair, though, and one thing I *do* respect Clegg for is that we get to question him about it on the conference floor).

I go to, and vote at, conference because I feel that it does still have some influence. Not a much as I'd like, but more than none. And, given that I'm nominally a voting rep at a conference that can influence government policy, I feel a (possibly misplaced) sense of duty to exercise that vote.

Date: Saturday, February 4th, 2012 10:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
I don't think that's misplaced. I felt it too, when I was still a voting rep, even if other duties ended up having to take priority.

Date: Saturday, February 4th, 2012 11:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] almostwitty
I have to admit, someone local to me tried to get me to join the Chinese Lib Dems. And I do have to wonder why I should bother, since they're pretty much joined at the hip with the Tories at the national level at the moment.

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