More power to you. I'd be in that mode as well if I felt I realistically had the means of stopping him. I'd be kidding myself if I thought I could be more effective than George has been, given my current constraints. I still want to hear from djm4 what exactly happened there, and I'm glad the worst bit of the Shirley Williams motion got removed, but overall, this Conference hasn't given me much reason to feel I can achieve anything useful in this party at the moment.