miss_s_b: (Mood: Facepalm)
[personal profile] miss_s_b
I just got an email purporting to be from Lynne Featherstone, which said (and I paraphrase slightly)
Calm down dear, it's only a tiny extension of the RIPA powers and it;s not going to be on a centralised database, so honestly, there's nothing to worry about
The centralised database is NOT the problem, "Lynne", the problem is that powers that should never have been enacted in the first place are being extended, and it doesn;' matter how small an extension it is, because they are being extended in my name, and I'm NOT GOING TO FUCKING STAND FOR IT.

I know the mandarins have told you that they only want the headers, so to speak, and not the content, but with packet data (i.e. most of what the internet runs on) it's not possible to extract the headers without having access to the content too. The internet was specifically designed to make it hard to intercept stuff. You can't get arround that with platutudes from whitehall mandarins.

And even if that WAS possible, it still doesn't mean that extending the powers that were enacted under RIPA, which were bad and wrong and illiberal, will ever be anything other than bad and wrong and illiberal.

Stop trying to soothe angry bloggers with emails full of bullshit you've been fed by whitehall mandarins and listen to people who know what they are talking about. Stop panicking that the grass roots are making a fuss when you've gone native, and wonder if we might have a sodding point, you useless, spineless, quisling IDIOTS. Your job is to question this shit, not just wave it through and then try and mansplain (and whatever the gender of the person who typed that email, it was a classic example of mansplainin') to people who are justifiably angry about your conduct.

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
pseudomonas: Angry dragon destroys with flame! (flame)
From: [personal profile] pseudomonas
Well said.

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 07:38 pm (UTC)
bagfish: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bagfish
Yes, yes, yes! Exactly this. The Lib Dem leadership and executive are treating the grassroots with contempt,as if the grassroots are no longer the party. It is, quite frankly disgusting, and an insult to our intelligence.

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fabulousblueporcupine.wordpress.com
*cheers*

We've got a real problem here. I just read Lee Griffin's post that you tweeted earlier. It was very good, and made me think about the cumulative effect on ministers' own outlook of doing a series of complex and explosive political things, as the Lib Dems have done. The trouble is that EVERY time something happens (NHS, tuition fees etc), a lot of people have legitimate objections which may or may not end up being incorporated, but a lot of other people, frankly, scream a load of hysterical bullshit that turns out to be substantially untrue (cough 37 Degrees cough).

So from a minister's perspective, it must be very easy to slip into believing that if people are talking ill-informed bullshit about the NHS, they must be talking ill-informed bullshit about this as well. Not being specialists they generally know even less about the internet than they do about the NHS and they have, as you say, Whitehall mandarins to reassure them. I presume this is the reality behind how "going native" works. How do we get through that?

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
Rapturous appluase from me, and that's despite your use of a word that gives me conniptions. THIS.

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (George_III_at_Kew)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
Over two hundred and fifty years ago, government came to realise that nothing very much was being gained by opening everyone's post and reading letters, and that the Post Office should concentrate on getting letters to their destination promptly rather than on intelligence. This lesson has been forgotten, as the ISPs are co-opted into government service in the wrong way for the wrong reasons.

I am not convinced by the need for this initiative. Alex Carlile may be promising safeguards, but I don't trust our present politicians to produce effective ones, sadly.

Date: Monday, April 2nd, 2012 09:31 pm (UTC)
gwenhwyfaer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gwenhwyfaer
I wondered, at first, if this was a clay pigeon that the Tories had sent up to give the Lib Dems something to very visibly shoot down. I'm still wondering whether that's the case... but now I'm wondering whether someone should perhaps have told the coalition's Lib Dem contingent that they weren't required to blindly make excuses for Tory excess this time.

Date: Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012 08:59 am (UTC)
blazingskies: (Data Drain)
From: [personal profile] blazingskies
This Network Engineer keeps hearing about this awful bollocks and the only response I am capable of giving is to scream at the top of my lungs and look for something to smash.

FFS, did politicians get all their ideas about how computers work from watching shitty Hollywood movies?! NETWORKS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!!!!!

*goes to have a lie down*

Date: Tuesday, April 3rd, 2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
rhythmaning: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rhythmaning
I completely agree.

I saw Lynne last night - I was out campaigning (but that is another story) - and she said she had personally written the email.

She also said how strongly believed in civil liberties and how she wouldn't let a poor bill go through Parliament.

Thing is, after the university funding U-turn, who would believe her?

Date: Wednesday, April 4th, 2012 06:18 am (UTC)
trialia: River Song (Alex Kingston) drinking a cup of coffee. (Default)
From: [personal profile] trialia
I think we need to schism. *sad sigh*

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