Date: Friday, April 13th, 2012 01:09 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (feathers)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
I see. That makes sense.

I don't have a problem with the word myself, as I've noticed people don't use it very often for women, or they assume that we are emotional but not logical (don't get me started on how infuriating it is for people to see emotion as "bad" or that "emotional intelligence" doesn't exist.)

Date: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] bagpuss
Its interesting that the thing that irritated me about the first link (not that is isn't making a fair point about women not being recognised for their abilities) was that it seemed to imply that women can be "intelligent" too but not in science but more subjective things. I suspect this is my problem rather than the person who wrote the post but it is upsetting as a person working in what are traditionally considered male dominated fields

Date: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 08:20 am (UTC)
ginasketch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
Hm. I didn't read it that way- I know a lot more women are pushed into the humanities precisely because those things are seen by society as "soft" (grr). Conversely, I wonder if a lot of men are pushed into sciences because it's what is expected of them.

I wish gender stereotyping didn't exist.

Finally, our society privileges the sciences over the humanities and the arts, and factual knowledge over both raw intelligence (which is more about speed and ability to learn, understand, and synthesize) and emotional/social intelligence. And yet, women are less likely to go into the sciences, less likely to offer up their knowledge in conversation, and more likely to be encouraged to focus on emotional intelligence.

What I got from this is she is pointing out the double standard- women are encouraged to steer away from science because they're often seen by society as "emotional."

The daft thing is, everyone is a combination of logical and emotional thinking, though the way some people scream about it you'd think they'd been told to set fire to themselves for admitting it.

Date: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 09:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] bagpuss
I am certain there is a double standard and many women are encouraged to do "soft" things not of course these things are necessarily any less good or rewarding but they tend to carry less prestige with them of course

Everyone of course sits somewhere on a variety of different scales, the peaks of those scales might be different from different genders but there are certainly people of all genders at every point on these

People do like the scream about these things. At a work dinner one of my colleagues make a statement about men and women being fundamentally different and the timing meant I really didn't think it was the time to ask for clarification to find out what they meant by that which on one level is a shame as it would be good to know

Always nice to see another scientist though it feels like I mostly do project management these days

Date: Saturday, April 14th, 2012 08:21 am (UTC)
ginasketch: (smug)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
Also, fellow scientist here! *waves*

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