miss_s_b: (feminist heroes: oracle)miss_s_b ([personal profile] miss_s_b) wrote,
@ 2012-04-23 11:56 am UTC
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So having watched all the episodes of this so far, I feel moved to make a couple of observations:
We now return you to radio silence.

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(Anonymous)
2012-04-23 11:30 am UTC (link)
I was surprised Ruth went through in the blind auditions and las
Ben Kelley is far more quirky and more interesting to listen to than Ruth-Ann.

I was surprised Tom chose Sam Buttery over Aundrea(?). I was also surprised that Matt & Sueleen went through.

There is more to a voice than just the range it can cover. However impressive some of the high-notes are, its about the tone as well. Its also about the subjectiveness of what kind of voices you like to listen to and who can be an artist as well.

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[personal profile] miss_s_b
2012-04-23 11:37 am UTC (link)
You really think Ben is quirky and interesting? Even his haircut is dull and derivative IMHO. And he's so far up himself he has to open his mouth to see. Smug little git.

* shrug *

I can agree with your second paragraph, though your third seems patronising in the extreme... Of course there is more to a voice than the range it can cover. And of course there is a subjective element. My comment about Ruth deserving to win is not just about range; it's about her clean and natural tone, and the sheer length of time she can hold a note without even wavering.

Still, the fact that you thought from my entry that all I cared about was the high notes should teach me not to blog in haste... Past performance shows that it won't, though.

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(Anonymous)
2012-04-23 11:53 am UTC (link)
Was the girl who sang Nissan Dorma the one who was 17 and completely self taught? That wasn't a pleasing sound and I also wasn't impressed with the judges for not telling her that she should make sure she doesn't damage her voice by improvising.

I think Jessie J has been a bit surprised that the boys are being so full of themselves and just as hard on her, but she's held her own really well and is only occasionally wading into the idiotic willy waving contest with a choice put down. She's really impressed me and I respect her a lot having seen this.
I think that what a singer really needs to have is something distinctive that makes you stop and listen and know it's them. Like when you hear your favourite singer on the radio, you know it's them from the voice, not the song.

This is why someone like John Barrowman isn't a very successful singer - his singing voice is fine, but it's completely lacking in any kind of distinguishing features. You would know it was him if he spoke on the radio, but not if he sang. It is just the sound of generic person singing well, unlike say Tom Jones.

(I didn't see this week's show yet, but saw all the auditions so all thoughts based on previous shows.)

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[personal profile] magister
2012-04-23 12:00 pm UTC (link)
I find the initial novelty's wearing off a little. I really like the premise of it - that what they're interested in is the voice and nothing else. That seems to have gone by the wayside - Danny's comment last night as to why the duo featuring Gandalf the White went through was that "they're more interesting to look at." Another problem is that the judges' comments can be a little anodyne. It's a good thing that the BGT-style bitchiness and humiliation isn't there, but constructive technical criticism could still be interesting instead of "You were awesome, this is the hardest decision of my life."

Sunday's episode felt like it had been rather quickly edited down - some performances were cut very short and there were a fair number of times that we only heard comments from one or two of the judges or didn't hear at all from the losing contestants. Another 15 minutes might have allowed it to breathe a little more.

The Nessun Dorma singer shows one of the problems of the format. She's 17 and for a girl of seventeen has a remarkable voice. Without knowing her age though, it's not obvious that she's 17 and so it's easier to pass over her. What the solution to that is, I don't know. Maybe introduce a wild card system where each judge at the end of the blind auditions can call one person back for a second chance?

And apropos of nothing, I'm finding that I really like Will. During the blind auditions, he was the one who was making a point of speaking to people who'd chosen other judges over him and congratulating them, That just struck me as being a thoughtful thing to do.

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[personal profile] miss_s_b
2012-04-23 12:07 pm UTC (link)
I think that what a singer really needs to have is something distinctive that makes you stop and listen and know it's them. Like when you hear your favourite singer on the radio, you know it's them from the voice, not the song.

Yes, this. Which is perhaps one of the reasons I am so amazed people creamed themselves so much over Ben. And, indeed, many of the men. A lot of the boys sound like thousands of other singers, and each other.

I thought barmaid Jenny had quite a distinctive sound, and was surprised when the other person was chosen over her.

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[personal profile] miss_s_b
2012-04-23 12:08 pm UTC (link)
I have a soft spot for will too; but then I like/liked his band.

I like your wildcard idea.

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[personal profile] drunkwriter
2012-04-23 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Possibly there are fewer male entrants. I don't watch any of the pub-karaoke-superstar genre, but all that I have glimpsed suggests the women tend to be of a much higher standard. I think they scrape the barrel a bit to get enough male contestants.

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[personal profile] magister
2012-04-23 12:42 pm UTC (link)
Thing is, it's the firat series of this, so the chances are that when it returns, which it definitely will looking at its audience figures, it'll have been tweaked a bit.

I don't know whether there's been a second series in any other countries yet, but I'd imagne that if so, the format'll have been tinkered with from place to place.

One other thing that I'm intrigued by - Danny was a last minute replacement for Will Young. I wonder why.

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[personal profile] daweaver
2012-04-23 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Magister is correct; the original plan was for both Saturday and Sunday's episodes to contain 10 performances. In order to minimise the overlap with Britain's Got Talent, Saturday's show was chopped down from 100 minutes to 90, one performance moved to Sunday, and the splices were more obvious than they might have been.

This is the first UK series, but about the twentieth around the world. Owners Talpa keep very tight reins on The Voice of Holland structure: nowhere has had any second chances. Ever. Indeed, all the series follow the same format - off-screen weeding out, on-screen auditions, duelling singers, find the champion amongst each squad, superfinal. All series have similar presentation elements: the hand making a V sign holding a microphone, describing the groups as "Team Whoever", the chair design, even the typefaces.

The BBC contract is for two series. Will Young was excluded because he, like Mr. Jones, Miss J, and will.i.am, records for Universal Records, which will sign the winner. Mr. O'Donoghue lessens the charge that this is a massive product placement in the way Fame Academy was.

Facts above are facts; opinions are my own. I think the similarity of male voices comes from this being a contest in the pop genre, rather than opera or musical theatre. This weekend was painful, too many contestants confused "show off your vocal abilities" with "perform with as much volume as you can, never mind the tune."

Only a handful of performances this weekend grabbed me as being outstanding, and a couple of those were negative views. I liked Bo Bruce, almost able to get through the unhelpful arrangement and reach the emotional quandary at the heart of "With or without you". I was really impressed by Frances Wood, she found something even Alanis didn't get in "Ironic", and there's a big talent lurking there. Both are into the Top 20.

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[personal profile] magister
2012-04-23 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh well, that explains a lot. Shame really.

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[personal profile] moonhot97
2012-04-25 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I would have loved it if the contestants had stayed unseen, by judges and viewers alike, throughout the competition, showing themselves only on eviction. The final would end, after the announcement of the result, by the runner-up showing him/herself and then, finally, the winner - AFTER singing his/her victory song.

As it is, The Voice is X Factor with a slightly different audition.

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