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Why in the name of Cthulhu's seasalt-ridden knackers do the people in charge of Doctor Who keep employing this hack? I just watched the first webisode of Pond Life, which is the BBC's attempt to get us Who fans into even more of a froth of excitement about the new series than we already are. The problem is, they've let Chibnall write it.

So, it's stuffed full of stuff that's been done before, Sontarans, Fireballs, DJ Doctor, yadda yadda yadda. And then there's one original idea. And because this is Chibnall, we know what that original idea is going to involve, don't we?

The Doctor is toasting crumpets. Mata Hari walks in. We don't see her face. We don't need to see her face, you see, because she's an object, not a human being. She's there to be the set-up to a "joke", nothing more. She doesn't say anything. She takes her clothes off. The Doctor's crumpet fork rises in a "humorous" allusion to erection. A crumpet fork that has a crumpet on the end of, much like his knob is going to soon. Ha ha. Because Mata Hari is crumpet. You see what Chibnall did there?

It's misogynist, objectifying, heteronormative claptrap, and I'm sick of it. And of the first five episodes of the new series, two of them are written by Chibnall. I'm not having a good feeling in my water about that.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (ArgueMainly)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
This is, of course, a man who reinvented himself from besuited teenage critic of The Trial of a Time Lord, to a man who wrote plays about football and worked on new laddism, and whose writing has depended on following other people's styles with occasional caricatures. So what we see now is hardly surprising.

I fear the Chibnall-promotion (he let slip in the last DWM that he had to turn down a third episode this series) is leading somewhere we do not want to contemplate, but have had to.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:28 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (MattKarenArthur)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
The problem is that Chibnall has the best all-round credentials, and they are getting better with his new detective series for ITV. The absence of a coherent signature vision in his work is not going to be a problem for those commissioning. There's certainly a charm offensive underway on his behalf.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Not Gatiss? Sherlock has certainly been a tad successful. And you'd think if Moffat has any say in his successor, Gatiss'd be in with a chance.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
It's possible, but he's not as much of an all-rounder as Chibnall, who has more experience of television production, particularly in the all-important American sphere. Admittedly, Sherlock has improved Gatiss's ratings... and additionally, would he want to give up his multi-faceted career to let Doctor Who take over?

The other candidate in the frame must be Toby Whithouse.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Well, Moffat's doing at least two more years. I think Being Human finishes after the next series, so we can hope for Whithouse...

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
I honestly think that they *are* going for Chibnall as next show-runner. Just look at the latest DWM, with Moffat going on about what a 'genius' Chibnall is. Gatiss has never had sole responsibility for a TV show in that way...

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 03:29 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Same here. I'm not far from quitting anyway -- if I weren't writing the pieces for the Mindless Ones about the new series, I'd probably not bother.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
I think it's a compliment to call that a vision!

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Okay, so Danny Dyer as the 12th Doctor?

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:30 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (Troughton)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
I've seen that predicted before. I am probably happy not being familiar with this particular thespian's work.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 03:44 pm (UTC)
ext_390810: (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
‘a saucy caper involving a Tardis full of hooky gear’
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/danny-dyer-to-star-as-dr-who-201111164546

I heard from someone I trust with decent contacts that Whithouse is in line to take over...but that was last year, and who knows what things might have changed since then.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Well, it's Chibnall. Sadly. What have we had previously?

42 - it was all the woman's fault, but fortunately she agrees and kills herself.

The Silurian episodes - it was all the women's fault. Everything. The men are nice though, even the one who experiments on people without anaesthetic. And that's probably the women's fault too.

Torchwood series 1.

Day One - it's all Gwen's fault. And Owen harasses her sexually. He has his reasons. Look, it'll all become clear.

Cyberwoman - the Earth is threatened by a cyberTellytubby fetish whore in a tin foil bikini. But it's okay, cause Owen has time to harass Gwen sexually.

Countrycide - if you sexually harass someone enough, they'll sleep with you eventually.

End of Days - Owen nearly dooms the world andit's all because Gwen dumped him. So it's her fault.

Torchwood series 2 - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang - bisexuals. You can't trust them.
Adrift - Gwen! Know your place! Look, that nice mother's all sad now and it's all Gwen's fault.

Fragments - Aw. Owen has man pain. His girlfriend selfishly died. That's why he's a creepy rapist. I said there was a reason. You may now forgive him.

Exit Wounds - Tosh - know your place. You may be dying, but don't let Owen know, cause he's dying too and he's more important.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
This is making me glad I never really got into Who fandom.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Pre-2005 Who was never that misogynist, even when script-edited by Terrance "the proper place for a woman is tied to the train-tracks" Dicks. It's something that's only really happened in the Welsh series and its spin-offs.

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 03:48 pm (UTC)
blazingskies: (Hate)
From: [personal profile] blazingskies
At least Uncle Terrance had the (partial) excuse of age and upbringing on his side. The New Series, and especially bloody Chibnall has no excuse. At all.

Date: Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 11:22 am (UTC)
drunkwriter: Me in South Park form. (Default)
From: [personal profile] drunkwriter
Well, apart from being exposed to Uncle Tewwance's vision as a child, of course.

Date: Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 08:06 am (UTC)
djm4: (Default)
From: [personal profile] djm4
Also, lest we forget, in the Silurian episodes, they have a woman prisoner tied up. To put her at ease and gain her trust, the Doctor - the Doctor, our identification figure and the moral core of the show - removes an item of her clothing and tells her she's beautiful. *shudder*

Date: Monday, August 27th, 2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
I forgot to mention - also Tosh falls in love with him, because - erm, because, no it'll come to me in a minute, no, don't tell me - oh yeah, because she's a woman and he's a man and it's right, dammit.

Date: Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 04:18 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You're aware of what Mata Hari did for a living, yes?

& the way it was filmed would have been entirely down to the director, not Chibbers. Just sayin'.

~ L

Date: Tuesday, August 28th, 2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm sorry but you really need to chill out. It was a tiny scene, not meant to be sexisr at all.

Was it needed? Probably not but if you're offended over something this minor - well says more about you than Chibnall to be honest.

Date: Friday, August 31st, 2012 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm honestly having a hard time figuring out if this is a serious rant. It's just so ridiculously overblown.

I can't understand how one could get so angry about a light-hearted 50-second skit. There's no time to develop ANYTHING in that time, never mind give a nuanced portrayal of Mata Hari. And, as someone else pointed out, her taking her clothes off isn't exactly a stretch. What about the guy eating pasta in part 5? He wasn't a rounded developed character, he was just there for a cheap Italian joke! Chibnall is a racist!

And yes, I get that there are misogynistic readings to take from some of the episodes he's written... But this, the straw the breaks the camel's back? Really?

Oh well, to each their own.
- Gemma

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