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Date: Tuesday, January 8th, 2013 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Far as I remember, Gandalf's not in The Silmarillion.

Date: Wednesday, January 9th, 2013 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] po8crg
He's in the book, but not in the Quenta.

"Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" is in the volume printed as "The Silmarillion".

Olórin is mentioned in the Valaquenta, also.

Re: Tolkien

Date: Tuesday, January 8th, 2013 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] von_geisterhand
Yes, as far as I can see it the only point where the Estate has probably been fucked over is in terms of their share of the profits.

PJ has changed, added and edited Tolkien's work but that's what adapting a book for another medium is and as far as I am concerned, this adapting was done very well and very respectfully*, unlike, say, some of the adaptations of Alan Moore.

* The sentence "In the new Hobbit movie, for example, the audience will discover characters Tolkien never put in, especially women." made me chuckle, though. I can just about hear the horrified academic.
Edited Date: Tuesday, January 8th, 2013 03:11 pm (UTC)

Re: Tolkien

Date: Tuesday, January 8th, 2013 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
He's an elderly Oxford don. He's probably still hacked off that his alma mater's been dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century.

Re: Tolkien

Date: Wednesday, January 9th, 2013 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] po8crg
Christopher Tolkien did something that he regards as heinous and has been repenting ever since - he amended the master's work (well, OK, he let Guy Gaviel Kay amend it).

He discovered later (in the History of Middle Earth) that he didn't have to add to his father's notes, and convert them into a coherent story, but could publish notes and outlines with his own commentary on the textual development, without the need to intervene in the master's words.

If he can do that with mere notes, why can't Peter Jackson do that with a complete novel?

The Silmarillion was, essentially, an adaptation (from notes and isolated stories, not all at the same point in the legendarium, to a novel). And he regrets doing it. So he's taking it out on Jackson for doing the same thing.

Every time you hear anything from C.Tolkien, it references the Silmarillion and how it was wrong. It's been preying on his mind for 36 years.

Date: Tuesday, January 8th, 2013 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I don't get Charlie as a role model. He must be the blandest protagonist to ever bland. The "role" he seems to model is "be incredibly lucky, and don't be as much of a horrible person as these four other horrible children."

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