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Have been having a discussion on twitter with Charlotte Gore (whoisnotatory) and sundry others about the gendering of films. Charlotte points out that films which are generally considered "women's films" tend to suffer a 1 point penalty on imdb, whereas films that are considered "men's films" get a 1 point bonus over a theoretically gender-neutral norm. I pointed out that such descriptions are pretty meaningless anyway, at which point johnb78 chipped in with a description of Thelma and Louise as an awesome violent action movie with lots of semi-naked chicks in it.

And that got me thinking.

How would you market a stereotypically girly film to blokes? Or a stereotypically blokey film to girls?

Bonus points for the most pointless use of stereotype!

Examples:
- The Sound of Music is an escape from the nazis thriller.
- The Dirty Dozen is a film about relationships.
- The Wicker Man is a picturesque musical about folk traditions.

Your turn!

Top Gun

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The story of one female fighter pilot-instructing astrophysicist's struggle to be accepted by her male juniors...

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 06:10 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (gender fuck)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Looper is a tragic romance between in which a single mom is won over by her son's interaction with an unemployed man.

Legally Blonde is a legal drama that focuses on the intense rivalry between law students at Harvard

Star Wars is a Disney Princess movie.

Tangled is a swashbuckling adventure with swordfights, daring escapes, and a heroic rescue.
Edited Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 06:10 pm (UTC)

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unity-mot.myopenid.com
Jennie:

You're forgetting that many men have very simple tastes and can be easily persuaded to watch anything from an overwrought melodramatic thriller set in the world of ballet to a sensitive,delicately filmed, romance right the way through to a biopic of a female artist they've never heard of before with the inclusion of just four words on the DVD case...

'Nudity', 'Sexual scenes' and 'Lesbians'.

:-P

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 07:15 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
Think its at least two girls kissing each other thing....

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 07:15 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (lesbians)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I assume it's because:
- women are hot.
- sex is sexy
- penises are not hot.
- therefore sex that involves the maximum amount of women but the minimum amount of penii is the optimum sexiness.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarier.wordpress.com
Yeah, pretty much that, I think.

Not that I've conducted an extensive survey of my male friends' porn preferences, but from the limited dataset available to me, it's been my experience that the kind of man who is petrified by the very idea that anyone might think they are gay/bi (not least themselves) is most likely to watch exclusively lesbian-based porn. No possibility of being turned on by someone's cock, you see.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarier.wordpress.com
Possibly! :-P

I certainly don't think the "would they be interested in me in real life" criterion is especially a major factor in what men find sexy - there's lots of straight women who wouldn't, as it happens, be interested in them either. Doesn't stop them being sexy.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 07:51 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (sex)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Well, you're a woman, and women tend to have slightly different tastes in porn than men. Lesbian porn for men and lesbian porn for women are very different monsters.

Even gay-male porn for women is different from gay porn for gay men.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
gominokouhai: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
This is it exactly.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 07:41 am (UTC)
andrewducker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Pretty much.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:33 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
I think it's 90% Debi's list of points, and 10% the "they've just not met the right man yet, I could convert them..." thing.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 07:30 am (UTC)
londonkds: (BLOOD AND TITTIES FOR LORD CHIBNALL!!! ()
From: [personal profile] londonkds
Also, a lot of men have historically (don't know so much now) a deep-seated fear that women don't actually enjoy sex but trade it in exchange for companionship/support/babies ("lie back and think of England"). So if two women are having sex with each other, then it's possible that at least one of them is actually doing it because she wants to.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:07 pm (UTC)
jo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jo
Because most "lesbians" in porn films aren't actually lesbians. Men don't like "real" lesbians (you know - the short dumpy ones with short hair who wear overalls and look really butch [add other stereotypical descriptors here]), they like overly big-boobed non-lesbians who pretend to be lesbians.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 01:00 pm (UTC)
marrog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] marrog
Woops, wrong journal, *blushes*

Ahem, Looper is a 'girly film' anyway, isn't it?

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 01:19 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (gender fuck)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Looper is an action SF movie in which the only female characters lack agency, one female character even lacks a name, and it has a very strong theme about how all the evil in the world is our fault for not being good enough mothers.

I'm not saying that women can't enjoy the film, but it was the manliest film I saw all year. And I saw The Expendables 2.

So I'm incredibly interested in how you got "girly film" out of it.

-eta:- tone in this comment completely unintentional! I really do want to know!
Edited Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 01:21 pm (UTC)

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 01:23 pm (UTC)
marrog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] marrog
(ARGH AND AGAIN. Sorry, I only use Dreamwidth for silly role-playing games. I wish you could block YOURSELF from other people's journals.)

Well, it was all about Feelings. And it had JGL in it. I mostly remember the angst and mantears. I don't personally tend to label films as one thing or another, but if I had to I'd put it in a box with 'Enemy at the Gates' as a 'pretty boys do action but mostly stare and brood' movie..

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 01:53 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (gender fuck)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
You could ask Jennie to block Santana, but then I wouldn't be surfing around Edge of Forever.

But but but MAN!feelings for manly men! About moms and nameless voiceless wives. I think of girly feelings being about relationships and interaction, and manly feelings as being about ME and how this relationship is making ME feel.

I know what you mean about not usually labelling, though.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 02:13 pm (UTC)
marrog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] marrog
*Hides head in shame* I swear it's my first non-original-character game ever! This is the only time! It just happened! I was drunk at the time!

Anyway! I see where you're coming from, but I guess that while I have no disagreement with your assessment I still felt that it was ultimately an emotional film, and that at its core it was about people and the way those people feel, even though those people were men.

Date: Thursday, January 31st, 2013 08:45 am (UTC)
andrewducker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] andrewducker
Yes, but that doesn't make it girly - men are fine having emotions about manly subjects, like war, or football.

Date: Sunday, February 3rd, 2013 06:12 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (Leonardo)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
I didn't get back to you, but I feel I should point out that you were talking to someone who RPs everyone from Niccolo Machiavelli to Black Canary. I understand journal!fails.

Date: Sunday, February 3rd, 2013 06:15 pm (UTC)
marrog: (Default)
From: [personal profile] marrog
It's more personal shame than shame that I got caught to be honest! I've really never been into fandom games; I find them... eh, I dunno.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarier.wordpress.com
Die Hard: Holly and John McClane work at patching up their marriage, as John reconciles himself to his wife's new job.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
The Shining - New home has effect on relationship

Dawn of the Dead - Man takes his girlfriend to the shopping mall.

Nightmare on Elm Street - Young woman meets the man of her dreams.

Silence of the Lambs - One woman finds herslf captivated by a man she meets one evening, while another has a relationship with an older man.

Psycho - Young man takes girl home to Mother.

Gladiator - Husband's commute from work is held up.


Edited Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:39 pm (UTC)

Date: Wednesday, April 10th, 2013 05:35 pm (UTC)
g_t_watch_list: (Default)
From: [personal profile] g_t_watch_list
"Nightmare on Elm Street - Young woman meets the man of her dreams."

Still think this is the best one on here <3

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:31 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Terminator 2 is the struggle of a single mother to get her rebellious son's life back on track.
Fried Green Tomatoes At The Whistlestop Cafe is a film about lesbian cannibals in the deep South.
Seven Golden Vampires is a film set in the nineteenth century about a clash between Western and Eastern European colonial cultures in China.
Titanic is a disaster movie from the man who made Terminator and Aliens
Misery is about the quirky relationship between a romance writer and a nurse, from the director of When Harry Met Sally.
The Exorcist is about a young girl and her spiritual journey towards Catholicism

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 09:33 pm (UTC)
hellokitsune: (Sherlock: Tea)
From: [personal profile] hellokitsune
"The Exorcist is about a young girl and her spiritual journey towards Catholicism"

I nearly choked on my tea reading that :D

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:28 am (UTC)
gominokouhai: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
> Titanic is a disaster movie from the man who made Terminator and Aliens

Thank you.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 08:36 pm (UTC)
moonhot97: (Default)
From: [personal profile] moonhot97
Bridget Jones' Diary is a film about a young woman's sexual escapades in swinging London.

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 10:13 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (arrivederci)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
gah, gender essentialism further up. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:26 am (UTC)
innerbrat: (&hearts;)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Photo of me shortly before starting my first half-marathon (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
Avengers Assemble: six amazing people come together to help a family reunion

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 11:40 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Photo of me shortly before starting my first half-marathon (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
Aliens: an orphaned girl finds new parents in the midst of her struggle to survive

Date: Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 11:44 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Photo of me shortly before starting my first half-marathon (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
Miss Congeniality: an undercover police officer has to fight to save the lives of a dozen beautiful women

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:13 am (UTC)
gominokouhai: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
I got [personal profile] stormsearch to watch Aliens, eventually, by telling her it's a story about motherhood. Granted I had to use the director's cut to do so, but still.

I've had a blog post percolating for a while now about Jim Cameron's feminism. Now might be the time.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:18 am (UTC)
gominokouhai: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
Clarification: the director's cut makes it clearer that Ripley's connection to Newt is a result of the daughter she lost while in hypersleep between films. That's why Ripley kicks arse later on. It's because she's facing off against the Alien Queen for her surrogate daughter, while the Alien Queen is protecting its own daughters.

But yes, also [personal profile] rmc28's comments above.
Edited Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:19 am (UTC)

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 09:20 am (UTC)
ext_390810: (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
Most Batman films: Person finds the perfect outfit that helps them get over the tragic death of their parents.

Con Air: Man has present for his daughter, has trouble getting home to give it to her.

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Original Star Wars trilogy - In a universe gone mad, one boy sets out to find his family.(Helps if you read it in ubiquitous Trailer Man voice)

Once Upon a Time In the West - Farmer hopes family will accept his new wife

Superman II - Career woman realises the ideal man is working alongside her. But can she compete with his family? (Or if you want it to seem a lot less wholesome; Career woman uncovers colleague's double life, so he takes her to the isolated house where he keeps his dead mother.)

The Terminator - She was working as a waitress in a burger bar. He was looking for that one special woman. Their eyes met across a crowded nightclub and nothing would ever be the same again.

Haywire: She's worked alongside him all these years, but after a night out with a difference, she's seeing her boss in quite a different light. Has she left it too late or can Mallory get her man?

Henry V: Business trip to France leads to love.

Fight Club: Young man struggles to find himself with help of girlfriend. Will he ever learn to see himself as she does?

These ones aren't really relevant, but I thought they were funny:

The Expendables: Man runs job creation scheme for the elderly

Silent Running: Man tends garden in best of all possible worlds

Whistle and I'll Come to You: Oral fixation leads to problems in the bedroom.
Edited Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:18 pm (UTC)

Date: Wednesday, January 30th, 2013 12:43 pm (UTC)
ext_390810: (Default)
From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
The Magnificent Seven: When a group of men head off for a wild time in the country, one of them falls in love with a country girl and her way of life.

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