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So Sarah Teather announced, via an article in the Observer, that she will not be standing again for her seat in Brent. Various people expressed various emotions on receipt of this news. The Lib Dem Voice comment thread, at time of typing, is approaching 200 comments. Despite the attempts of various people to inject notes of sanity there has been a massive proliferation of straw men in that comment thread, which can basically be divided into two camps: the Sarah Is a Great Loss and the Sarah is Not Such a Great Loss camps.

I fall into the latter camp. My stated position is that because of her vote on same sex marriage, after many years of cheerfully using lots of LGBT activists to work for her, I feel that I would rather spend my limited leaflet delivery time on another MP/candidate at election time. I agree with a lot of her OTHER positions, but because there are MPs/candidates who share those positions AND voted the way I would have liked on same sex marriage I would prefer to donate my time to those people.

For this I have been accused of being a single issue politician (because I am talking about this right now means it is the only thing I have ever cared about), sexism (because Sarah is a woman and I don't want to deliver leaflets for her, despite the fact that I have also publicly condemned Gordon Birtwhistle, John Pugh, and all of the other MPs who voted against), racism (because Sarah has been an anti-racism campaigner therefore if I don't want to deliver leaflets for her I must be racist), obsessed with sex (because equal rights for LGBT people is only ever concerned with sex and not human rights or anything) and of WANTING DISABLED PEOPLE TO DIE (no, I don't get that one either). And pretty much everyone who has said these things has ALSO gone on at great length about the "vitriol" being flung at Sarah.

To make that clear: saying you'd rather deliver leaflets for someone else = flinging vitriol. Accusing someone of being sexist, racist, and a eugenicist? Fair comment. As for the single issue politician thing... If I was FORCED to be a single issue politician I would be the most vocal (and probably the only) campaigner for Colin Baker to be permanently recognised as the best Doctor Who. If only because that's SUCH a minority campaign that it needs all the help it can get.

Anyone who doubted the importance of leaflet delivery in the Lib Dem psyche? I think today has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's more important than pretty much anything else. It's just a shame that we're all spending valuable leaflet delivery time arguing about something that's not going to be changed by any amount of invective on any side.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
s for the single issue politician thing... If I was FORCED to be a single issue politician I would be the most vocal (and probably the only) campaigner for Colin Baker to be permanently recognised as the best Doctor Who.

<3

Yeah, Andrew's been telling me that he's also a single-issue campaigner. I wonder now what his would be. Probably something rubbish about the Beach Boys.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] haggis
If I was FORCED to be a single issue politician I would be the most vocal (and probably the only) campaigner for Colin Baker to be permanently recognised as the best Doctor Who. If only because that's SUCH a minority campaign that it needs all the help it can get.

This is why I am a bi activist. It's an issue that I care about and where I feel I can make a difference. That doesn't make it the only issue I care about by a long shot.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 08:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] haggis
Oh yes, strongly agree.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
Thank you for the warning, I shall avoid the comments.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 10:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Yep, apparently me, Jennie, Alex Wilcock, AC McGregor, Dave Page, Andy Emmerson and James are all "single-issue campaigners" who are trying to force out anyone who disagrees with them and hate the party being a broad church, and so we should be forced out of the party and leave it to real liberals like Tony Greaves, Chris Rennard, Helen Tedcastle and Matthew Huntbach who are tolerant of other people's opinions.

No, I'm not joking or exaggerating in any way.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 10:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
Yeah, obviously that's the best way to ensure the party remains a broad church, forcing people out.
Edited Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 10:52 pm (UTC)

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 09:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
Hahahaha.

I suspect if any of those even know me, I've already lost their good opinion for other matters. Also I'll not take lessons on courtesy from Tony Greaves after his shocking rudeness to the chair when speaking at conference last September.

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 09:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Quite.
It's a shame because Greaves *used* to be a strong voice for Liberalism. But as Robert Anton Wilson put it "a liberal can become a conservative in just twenty years -- without changing a single opinion".

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Well, personally my plan is to take over the party and remove anyone who doesn't agree with me on the following policies:

Hartnell and Troughton are the best Doctors

George Lazenby was grossly underrated

The Nic Cage Wicker Man film is a comedy and would work much better with a laugh track

Free allowance of 2 pints of Old Peculier per day

Takeaway Sunday Lunch shops to be introduced

No texting in cinemas

Tamsin Greig to be the 13th Doctor

Cricketers to be given the choice of whether to play in bad light

The Exorcist to be reshot as if it were a Hammer film (ie much day for night shooting and the demon's voice to be provided by Michael Ripper)

Membership to be contingent on the ability to sing at least 4 verses of The Tinker of Rye.

I've been trying to think of a way to squeeze all of this into a single issue and the best I can come up with is "What I say goes."

So who's with me?

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 10:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Sensible policies for a fairer Britain!
I suspect the first one may cause trouble with Jennie though...

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
I'd be happy to set up a working party to look into Colin and to task Jennie to take the lead on that. To be fair, Colin has been known to describe Troughton as "the guvnor" and to say that he was the best, so I don't expect problems there.

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 10:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
Takeaway Sunday Lunch shops to be introduced

Andrew goes on about this all the time. I think my inability/unwillingness to make him roast dinners is one of the great disappointments of his life. As is the necessity of getting dressed to get one any other way.

Date: Monday, September 9th, 2013 10:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Incidentally, my brother told me that there *is* a takeaway Sunday Lunch place in Salford, which even does deliveries. I got *very* tempted to move there...

Date: Tuesday, September 10th, 2013 06:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
Sorry, that clashes with my single issue - that I'm right about everything.

Date: Sunday, September 8th, 2013 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lizbee
If I was FORCED to be a single issue politician I would be the most vocal (and probably the only) campaigner for Colin Baker to be permanently recognised as the best Doctor Who. If only because that's SUCH a minority campaign that it needs all the help it can get.

And judging by the Senate outcomes in the Australian election, your Colin Baker Enthusiast Party would be in with a chance!

Date: Saturday, September 14th, 2013 09:45 am (UTC)

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