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You can't move these days for articles in the right wing press, and even in some Labour outlets, declaring how Labour will never get back in unless they stop demonising the right; I'd like to posit an equivalent theory: that right-wingers, especially those in charge of certain national newspapers, as well as those who have been in charge of the Labour party for the last 20 years or so, don't understand what motivates lefty voters.

Look at what happened with the SNP last general election. The more the rightwing press fulminated about what a disaster it would be if the SNP came close to the levers of power, the more the Scots voted for them, and the more the English said they wished they could. People in this country in general, but especially its lefties, do not like being told what to do. They don't like being told what to do by politicians they mostly detest, and they don't like being told what to do by journalists they trust even less than politicians.

The mood around Corbyn, and the reason his support is snowballing, is intrigued. Everybody who pays attention to politics had heard of Burnham and Cooper; few had heard of Corbyn. He's therefore new and interesting. The EDM about Pigeon bombs just makes him look like he has a sense of humour. He speaks human, unlike any of the other three Blairite clones. And the more the right-wing press and the right-wingers currently leading the labour party squeak about what a disaster he will be and how nobody should vote for him, the more people like him.

I have, actually, been wondering if it's some sort of deep dark reverse psychology in action. Like "we must say he'll be awful, that's the only way to get people to vote for him!" Because, of course, there is also the right wing view that if Corbyn wins, the Labour party are doomed.

I genuinely think that those who say he'll be an unelectable disaster if he wins are dead wrong. The received wisdom that you have to be either Tory or Tory Lite to win only has worked so far, sure. But it's done so by depressing turnout, not by converting vast numbers of voters. Normal People countrywide who haven't voted in years will vote Corbyn the same reason people in London voted Boris in the first mayoral election he stood in: they think it'll piss off the political elites, and they think that'll be funny. Lefties who haven't had anyone to positively vote for in decades will flock to him because he speaks the language of hope, not despair. And it'll almost certainly be the death of the Green party as all those watermelons roll home.

So yeah, if I was a Labour member, I'd probably vote Corbyn, and do it with a song in my heart. And I think all those rightwingers who are encouraging votes for Corbyn because they think it will kill that Labour party are in for a nasty shock if he actually does win. Lucky for all concerned, I'm not and never would be a member of that bunch of authoritarians, right?

Date: Monday, July 20th, 2015 09:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nickbarlow
I think Corbyn is the 'none of the above' candidate for some people too - the other three have relentlessly uninspired everyone, the media are saying Labour are doomed in 2020 whatever they do, so why not say sod it and vote Corbyn.

It feels like they're mirroring the Tories - Miliband was their Hague, and now they're about to bring in their IDS. Not sure who gets to play Michael Howard when they get rid of Corbyn, though.

making voting a legal obligation

Date: Monday, July 20th, 2015 10:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bagpuss
Being a untill recent years more of a labour than a liberal supporter, Corbyn does seem to be closer to what I view as traditional Labour than any of the other candidates

It is deeply frustrating, in a time where Labour could be coming out quite strongly against what the Tories are doing as they get to wipe the slate somewhat when the leadership gets elected that instead they just seem to be saying okay then to the worst of the tory cuts

Date: Monday, July 20th, 2015 02:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
I agree with you on everything except the likely effect on the Green Party. We'd certainly lose some voters and supporters (and it would be worth it to have a proper opposition again), but they can't kill the Greens by moving left for the same reason they can't kill the Lib Dems that way: we're not Labour-lite.

Date: Monday, July 20th, 2015 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
I think we might lose around half of this year's new membership. That would still leave us in a much stronger campaigning position than we have been in the past.

Date: Tuesday, July 21st, 2015 05:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] el_staplador
I shall be voting for him. He is wrong on cycling, but he is right on an awful lot of other stuff.

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