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1, It's not perfect. People who are more important to listen to on racism than me have some issues with Patty as a character; I can see those issues, and think that they could have been solved better (& could be solved in sequels). I do think, though, that Patty was not treated anywhere NEAR as badly as Winston was in the original.

2, I actually liked the gross-out jokes; in a film starring four guys those wouldn't even be commented on.

3, Holtzmann getting to do the slow-mo BadAss Action Hero shooty bit actually made me fill up. How many times do women get to DO that? And it was SO perfect, and there were no Male Gaze "this girl's doing it for you boys" tits'n'arse close-ups while she did it; she got to be the power fantasy that's usually reserved for men, but for ladies. I can only think of two other characters in recent years who have done that: Furiosa and River Song. There are countless, COUNTLESS male versions of this.

4, I loved that the film took all the pre-release criticism it recieved, and incorporated it into the film, every time with a big finger in the face of dudebro sexist arseholes everywhere. From characters reading internet comments to Slimer and Lady Slimer getting a Thelma and Louise moment, each bit was pitched beautifully.

5, Like Andrew says, it was fabulous to have a movie about a group of people where none of them are on the arsehole-with-a-heart journey that Bill Murray always plays. In fact, none of the four leads are arseholes, and none of them is a sexy lamp either. They're PEOPLE. Yep, it is 2016 and the fact that a film with four female leads doesn't make any of them into a total cliche is worth commenting on (note: while elements of Patty's character can be argued to be cliched, she's bookish and a history nerd; those things do not fit the stereotype).

Genuinely, while it's not perfect, I think this is the best film I have seen in ages. It's fun, it's funny, it's got a heart the size of New York, and you should all go see it.

See this film if:
  • You're alive.

Don't see this film if:
  • You're a sexist dudebro, or a gamergater, or otherwise an example of a person who has no humanity.

Scores: Acting: 9/10, Script: 9/10; Technical 10/10, Feels 10/10. Overall 9.5/10

If you liked this you should watch: it again. I did. And I very, VERY rarely see a film more than once in the cinema on initial release.

Star Trek Beyond

1, I liked that the script gave all the characters something to do, and that none of them felt incompetently handled, or incompetent at their jobs, both of which accusations could occasionally be levelled at Original Trek. Also, Scotty actually using Scottish words (I nearly typed "sounding like a Scotsman" then, but Pegg's accent is... variable) was grand.

2, I loved how they handled the death of Leonard Nimoy. The fact that the one thing Spock Prime brought with him from the alternate universe was a publicity shot for The Undiscovered Country photo of himself with all his friends, that he must have carried everywhere with him... that was just adorable.

3, I loved Jayla, and hope she will appear in future films. Given that they have said they are not going to recast Chekhov, and that she is now in Starfleet Academy, this could be an organic way of helping the gender balance a bit - they still need to bring back Chapel and Rand as well, mind.

4, Spock calling McCoy "Leonard", and his heartfeltness when he thinks he's going to die. Just... Oh the feels. Karl Urban continues to excel as McCoy, and Zach Quinto's Spock is pretty effing awesome too. I loved McCoy in all his crotchety grumpy glory, and he got to be the wise old bird a lot here, which is a role he fits well.

5, Idris Elba is his usual stunning self both in and out of his face-obscuring make-up.

6, I was one of the many people in the cinema clapping with sheer delight at the Beastie Boys saving the day. And yes, it was a bit of a cheesy thing referring back to the first Abrams film like that, and calling it "classical music", but I don't care. And choreographing the explosions to the music was beautiful, and totally fits with the excuse the plot uses for the music being there.

See this film if:
  • You're a fan of original Trek or Voyager or both, and you want to see Trek on screen actually be what it has always been in your head.
  • You want to see what Spock and McCoy are like together without Kirk as a buffer zone (adorable!).
  • You like the idea of Chekhov's gun being the Beastie Boys.

Don't see this film if:
  • You don't like things going kaboom lots.
  • You like your scifi incredibly cerebral.
  • You can't handle Simon Pegg's "Scots" accent.

Scores: Acting: 8/10 (but 10/10 for Karl Urban), Script: 9/10; Technical 10/10, Feels 10/10. Overall 9/10

If you liked this you should watch: Star Trek II & III & IV as a set, or VI

Date: Tuesday, July 26th, 2016 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Pretty much agreed on all counts. A couple of minor problems with the two films. Direction on action scenes in Trek is overly frenetic and as some of them are also dimly lit, it's not always possible to tell exactly what's going on. As we talked about, the penultimate act of Ghostbusters feels like there's been some stuff cut out. I think there's a scene missing where Penelope Wilson Ghostbuster (not doing well with character names) drops out. Like you said, I think that actually improves the film by removing something clich├ęd but, it does give a slightly disjointed feel to it.

And after some more thought, I'd say Holzmann in her ass kicking scene is certainly better than the River Song one, simply because that scene is accompanied by Matt Smith's Doctor talking about how he finds River with a gun to be sexy, so he's taking possession of it and suggesting that the whole thing is there to be enjoyed by men. This scene with Holzmann - there isn't a man in sight in the film to take possession of it - it's something she does to save her friends and it's shown as empowering, not sexy.
Edited Date: Tuesday, July 26th, 2016 06:32 pm (UTC)

Date: Tuesday, July 26th, 2016 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
While I think of it, Sulu with his family was a nice moment and handled just right, I thought.

Date: Tuesday, July 26th, 2016 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoeimogen.livejournal.com
1. Agreed, but it was nowhere near as bad as the trailers made out at least.
3. I WISH they'd saved the original Ghostbusters theme for the slowmo shootout rather than overusing it throughout. That would have been perfect.

The characters were not as well developed as in the original, but I think that's due to the demands of modern mainstream cinema-making.

Star Trek Beyond - definitely more Simon Pegg/Marvelesque than the second one. It works better, despite the plot voids. I ended up a little confused as to who Bones and Kirk are drinking in memory of at the start though.

Date: Wednesday, July 27th, 2016 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
They're drinking because it's Kirk's birtoday and he's now older than his father was when he died.

Date: Wednesday, July 27th, 2016 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zoeimogen.livejournal.com
Hmm, I thought they were drinking to someone else as well. Maybe I was just confused.

Date: Wednesday, July 27th, 2016 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Pretty sure it was just the birthday and his dad. I'll check if I watch it again.

Date: Tuesday, July 26th, 2016 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] newandrewhickey.livejournal.com
Another point I just saw made, which I'm ashamed to say hadn't even occurred to me. Both Melissa McCarthy and Leslie Jones are quite large, but both eat, at several points, without a single fat joke being made in the entire film.
And one thing I'd noticed and meant to put in my review but didn't -- there's no romantic subplot *at all*.
The women in the film do have sexualities (or at least Kirsten Wiig's character does, lusting after the bloke with the muscles and looks and suchlike -- and seeing a woman motivated by physical lust is in itself quite something, seeing female sexuality treated as a normal part of life rather than something shameful or for the male gaze) but they're not shown to be driven *at all* by romantic motives. Which is a big deal.

Date: Wednesday, July 27th, 2016 09:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nanila
Thank you for the reviews, which have made me want to watch both films (even more).

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