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Lots and lots of partisan people who would probably be unlikely to vote Lib Dem anyway are saying things like I couldn't ever vote Lib Dem; they won't rule out coalition with Labour/the Tories.

You all know me.
You all know I am not backwards in coming forwards, and will happily call a spade a spade.

I, personally, will not rule out voting for a coalition with either the Tories or Labour.

That's right. Even now, even in this poisoned, febrile atmosphere, I would do a deal with either the red devil or the deep blue sea.

To agree to a coalition with either of them, they would have to agree to the following three things, for me:
  1. No brexit. At all. It's completely stopped.

  2. STV for all elections from this day forth, no exceptions, no referendums, just implemented.

  3. Useless waste of space of a leader to be replaced.
Without all three of those conditions being met as an absolute minimum, I, personally, would not vote for coalition with either Labour or Tories. I'd also quite like there to be a lot of stuff about guaranteeing the rights of immigrants and disabled people, and stopping the shafting of the poor, but those three things are the absolute minimum of the contents of an agreement I would consider. And for a coalition to happen, we have to call a special conference and two thirds of the attendees have to vote in favour of the deal offered. I'm not the most typical Lib Dem, but I'm not so far from the mainstream that I think that more than two thirds of the party would opt for a lesser deal than that.

We have learned from the coalition deal we voted through in all innocence last time, and I suspect that quite a lot of the party is a lot more cautious than it was.

So yeah, I'm not ruling out a coalition... but equally, I don't think it's very likely. Do you?

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
I'm less bothered about 3, but 1 & 2 for sure.

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] theandrewhickey
3 would be necessary for me with the Tories, because she's evil, but not with Labour because he's well-meaning enough.
I would have another condition though -- that the "Revoke Article 50 and STV For All Elections (Except By-Elections Which Can Be AV) Bill" be *the very first bill passed by the Government*, that it be a confidence motion, and that no other business of any kind be allowed until it had passed. I'm not letting them pull the "we'll reform the Lords Real Soon Now" trick.

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ms_katonic
Know what, I'd go for a coalition on those terms too - can't see the Tories going for it though! Labour might well go for the first, possibly the second if they're desperate enough (they will be desperate) but 3 might be another story. Depends if enough people can persuade JC that the sacrifice might be worth it. With regards to Labour's internal rules, unless he dies or resigns, we can only get rid of him if someone stands against him in a leadership election and wins.

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] norfolkian
Also, things were Not Good under the coalition, but they were Not As Bad as they are now. Part of me would happily return to the Tory/Lib Dem coalition in favour of this.

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nostalgia
I admit I wouldn't vote LD in case they just made pals with the Tories again :(

Date: Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 10:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wildeabandon
Mmm. I personally would vote for a coalition for a lot less than that - basically, if I thought it would on balance be better for the country to do so, then I'd be willing to throw the party's long term future under a bus for it, but although I'm a liberal to the bone, I'll happily admit to being a fairweather lib dem, so I'm probably a lot less representative.

Date: Thursday, April 20th, 2017 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hano
Looking at this from the point of view of a Labour Party member, 2 and three are impossible demands. Not because we're necessarily opposed, a lot of us agree, but in the timescale needed to put a government together it can't be done. And, let's be realistic here, neither May nor Corbyn is going to give up their job to accommodate you.
Edited Date: Thursday, April 20th, 2017 08:06 am (UTC)

Date: Thursday, April 20th, 2017 11:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] anisiriusmagus
Oh, for 1. and 2. especially. I agree with you about May being worse than Corbyn. He seems like a nice bloke, but a PM? I'm not so sure.
I think one of the biggest shocks to a lot of people who are less politically aware after the referendum result was that their vote actually counted on that occasion, because there are so many "safe" seats. A system where every vote counted would be marvellous, and I guess STV is the best method there.
There was a good letter in the i this morning, pointing out that it was a shame that 2/3 of the population weren't required to implement Article 50 (as there needed to be 2/3 of MPs in favour of the snap election). There was another letter which pointed out that if it's OK for May to change her mind about holding a general election, why isn't it OK for the British people to change their mind about leaving the EU?

Date: Thursday, April 20th, 2017 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rhythmaning
Hallelujah!

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