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The Grauniad is loudly trumpeting "Farron Sacks David Ward".

I suspect that what actually happened is that there was a phone call to Yorkshire regional candidates' chair, who in her turn made a phone call to the chair of City of Bradford Liberal Democrats, who in her turn made a phone call to David telling him that the situation was untenable... But the narrative of Tim making swift and decisive action won't hurt us in the press, even if constitutionally it's a bit suspect.

I'm not going to comment one way or the other on the justice of this outcome in the particular case of David Ward. He has undoubtedly made some indefensible comments at various times. However, I don't like to see procedures circumvented, whether actually or only apparently. I can't help it, I've got legal training. Equally, I can see that there's a strong argument that the party's internal disciplinary procedures are crap and toothless, or if they have teeth, that the teeth are carefully muzzled in any situation whether they might actually have to put the bite on someone. The party's internal disciplinary procedures are, however, also currently under process of review.

I am supremely uncomfortable about the idea of being in a party where one can be summarily dismissed at the whim of the leader without some form of due process in place. I fear that because that is what the media expects, not to say bays for, we are creeping ever closer to it. I wish we had more robust and transparent disciplinary procedures. I hope and expect that once the governance review is fully completed, we will have more robust and transparent disciplinary procedures.

Still.

I wonder what we'll be smacked in the chops with tomorrow?

Date: Wednesday, April 26th, 2017 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oneexwidow

I do get what you're saying, and circumventing due process normally makes me uncomfortable too but the party's procedures are not fit for purpose, especially not mid-election campaign.

I suspect my view on this is tempered by my view that action against Ward was long overdue. If it had been someone else, over something else, I'd have been more circumspect.

David Ward

Date: Wednesday, April 26th, 2017 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] michaelftaylor
Sadly, David is his own worst enemy and has consistently ignored offers of advice from Lib Dem friends. The problem never was anti-semitism, but his inability not to offend everyone on both sides of the argument with the crassness and insensitivity of his posts.

Date: Wednesday, April 26th, 2017 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Tim used the phrase "I have sacked him" on this own twitter. That nothing happened before is a pretty bad indictment of the way the Lib Dems don't confront racism in their own ranks (last seen taking no action against someone racially insulting a fellow member saying "as a white man you don't have the right to [not reply to my messages])

Hywel

Date: Wednesday, April 26th, 2017 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] theandrewhickey
Agreed with all this. I suspect that had we got as far as getting proper selections done, Ward would not have been selected and this wouldn't have arisen, so I can't feel too bad about it. And I remember during The Rennard Incident getting lots of phone calls from my dad saying "Clegg should just kick him out!", me explaining that he couldn't because it's not up to him, and him saying "he should do it anyway! That's what leaders are for!"
So I think whatever happened is the right thing for our public image, but I *very* much hope that Tim didn't actually "sack" him, and knows that's not something he can do.

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