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Date: Sunday, May 7th, 2017 10:44 am (UTC)
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The Brexit thing is not in the slightest bit tinfoil hat territory.

Considered in isolation it might be, but I submit that considered as part of a global pattern emerging over the past 3-4 years it's entirely plausible. (Other pieces of the jigsaw: the US presidential election, the Macron email leaks the day before yesterday, the abortive coup and clampdown in Turkey, the visible emergence of a global Fascist International backed by the current occupant of the Kremlin, plus sundry carbon-industry interests ... Note that Russia's #1 and #2 exports are oil and gas respectively, and "the Kremlin" qualifies as just another goddamn fossil fuel industry, only with the resources of the KGB at its disposal to enhance sales opportunities.)

Consider also what's happened to UK peak TV audience share figures over the past two decades (down from ~20M viewers to ~3.5M viewers) and newspaper circulations (down 75%) and where the eyeballs are now pointing for their recreational experiences.

It used to be that the "hidden persuaders" had to compose a single popular message that would appeal to as many people as possible, and put it out in public. These days? It's algorithm-driven and targeted down to clusters of dozens of individuals. Dr Goebbels would have thought he'd gone to heaven if he had propaganda tools like Facebook and Twitter.

Date: Sunday, May 7th, 2017 02:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] autopope
Alas, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

(With 20/20 hindsight, the big tell was probably in mid-2013 when we learned that the KGB had switched back to typewriters to avoid data leaks, and then this (sorry, link to Daily Express). Russian and Chinese definitions of cyberwar are basically about psyops and black propaganda, not DDoS and malware, and we seem to be on the receiving end of a sustained attack these days.)

Date: Monday, May 8th, 2017 01:31 am (UTC)
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Ref the hijacking of democracy, it strikes me that this reinforces the need to address taxation and the accumulation of wealth. Apart from a brief period after World War II, the redistribution of wealth has flowed inexorably in an upwards direction, from the poor to the rich and has resulted in the accumulation of totally obscene quantities of wealth in the hands of corrupt and dangerous people who then feel entitled to run the world.
Peter Mandelson famously said that he was seriously relaxed about people becoming filthy rich as long as they paid their taxes. But of course they don't pay their taxes. They dodge and weave and use the law for their own ends and buy up the press and media to lobby against taxation (except for poor people). Nearly all the political parties have capitulated to the fantasy that rich people will move themselves and their wealth out of the country if they are pursued even for the modest amount of tax Britain charges.
What this hijacking story illustrates is the corrupting effect of great wealth and why the world will not be safe for democracy until this is challenged successfully.

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