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OK, so I didn't like the last couple of weeks very much, but that? That has actively made me angry. Anyone who has been in an abusive relationship? Do not watch this episode.

What kind of fucked up clueless arsehole gaslighty abuser definition of "consent" was that? And that could have been OK if the show had shown explicit disapproval of the fucked up clueless arsehole gaslighty abuser definition of "consent". But it didn't. It really fucking didn't. And "love is slavery"? From the DOCTOR? Fuck that shit. Fuck it with a pointy stick with lots of splinters. And that's without even getting into the fact that the plot resolution was fucking stupid. The sonic screwdriver has got the Doctor out of locked rooms before, but this one is different? OK, I might buy that, in an episode that hadn't already pissed me off. But you're telling me the doctor can't feel the difference in texture between paint and metal? Bullshit. I can do that, and the magic man in his magic box is supposed to be better than me. And don't even get me started on him still not knowing what OCR software is.

So yeah, I am angry. I am especially angry given how good the first few episodes this series were. If it had all been crap I could have just shrugged and carried on. But this is... ugh. It feels like such a waste. A waste of Bill, and a waste of Erica, who was an awesome new character.

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 10:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] white_hart
I note that it was written by Peter Harness, who also wrote "Kill the Moon", "The Zygon Invasion" and "The Zygon Inversion", so I was not surprised that I was considerably less than impressed by it.

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 08:20 pm (UTC)
cedara: (TARDIS-Tours)
From: [personal profile] cedara
That explains the crappy plot. Ta.

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 11:59 am (UTC)
st_aurafina: (DW: Donna)
From: [personal profile] st_aurafina
Yeah, I've been stealth reading people's reviews before I've seen the ep, and I think I will give it a miss. I have been enjoying the season after taking a bit of a break from Doctor Who, and I don't want to get all cranky about liking the show again. I can always watch it later, if it becomes necessary.

You were doing so well, show! I was excite!

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 12:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
Such a shame. :( When this year started out so well.

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 07:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] devohoneybee
I didn't mind the depiction of the EVIL DEMON-LIKE ALIENS as abusers, and also took "love is slavery" as a warning of the aliens' view of "love" rather than a truism on the Doctor's part. What bugged me was the Doctor's immunity to the bacteria that killed any living thing, including plants. And the ongoing conceit that an otherwise observant and insightful Bill would fail to notice that the Doctor can't see. Also that the aliens accept Bill's consent as being based on love, when it is her love for the Doctor, rather than love for them ("we must be loved") that drives it.

Date: Monday, May 29th, 2017 10:40 pm (UTC)
shyfoxling: interior of the 12th Doctor's TARDIS (doctor who (12's tardis))
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
took "love is slavery" as a warning of the aliens' view of "love" rather than a truism on the Doctor's part.

That's how I heard it as well.

Date: Sunday, May 28th, 2017 08:19 pm (UTC)
cedara: (TARDIS-Tours)
From: [personal profile] cedara
Oh, good - I'm not alone in my dislike then, even though I didn't catch why immediately.

Date: Monday, May 29th, 2017 01:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
Tense stuff as long as one could ignore the foundations, which were not secure enough to support it, as you have effectively noted. I don't like this president of Earth stuff really.

*jumping aboard*

Date: Monday, May 29th, 2017 06:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] circular_time
Yeah, not a fan of President Doctor. It's just... gimmicky in a very cartoonish way.

And I'm relieved at all the comments above. Old Whovian has genuinely been enjoying the past season or two and finally gotten hooked on new Who as much as Big Finish, but some of this stuff is reminding me why I still think four-parters with time for development and character exploration are best, when well-written.

The OCR thing is driving me batty; I had an early OCR hand scanner before Peter Davison stopped wearing celery!

But the biggest issue by far is the Doctor telling a black woman that "love is slavery" (!!!) but NOT challenging the idea that a black woman submitting her entire race to slavery is "pure consent." He told/ordered her not to do it, but I didn't really hear him talking about that is the opposite of consent. Yes, these creatures are being abusive, but unless that is addressed loudly and clearly in the next ep, I never want to see this author pen a Who script again. Also the whole thing about "we'll show a queer person, but the running gag will be to have every date interrupted or their girlfriend turned into a space puddle" is not really okay.

Date: Monday, May 29th, 2017 10:41 pm (UTC)
shyfoxling: Gallifreyan symbol in grey on black background (doctor who (dromeian))
From: [personal profile] shyfoxling
Yeah. It was kind of amusing as a joke WRT the Doctor not liking the military, titles, etc, but I wish they hadn't gone back to it in a serious way.

Date: Tuesday, May 30th, 2017 11:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sfred
I have concluded that I am not keen on Peter Harness and it's sensible for me to approach his episodes as useful for completeness and continuity rather than moments of joy. Yes, his definitions of consent are proper messed up.

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