miss_s_b: Vince Cable's happy face (Politics: Vince - happy face)
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... and to nobody's surprise it is Vince Cable.

I like Vince, as a person. I like his stance on bees. I like his dancing.

None of those three things makes him suitable to be leader of the party, though. I mean, yes, he's got long service. And he did that one joke when he was acting leader that one time. But I'd really like something more than that to enthuse about in a potential leader.

Plus, there's all the things that make him unsuitable to be leader:
  • He's not a liberal, he's a technocratic centrist. This is fine if you are (shadow) chancellor; commendable, even. It's not acceptable in the leader. The leader needs to inspire. Technocratic centrism is the opposite of inspirational.

  • His stance on brexit is... at odds with the majority of the party's members and voters is probably the kindest way of putting it, and is already bringing out the "but we must appease the racists! We can't tell people they are wrong!" faction. If he wins, and maintains this stance, I predict a halving of our membership in pretty short order.

  • Tuition fees. OK, so he's not entirely to blame for the policy cock up (all those of us who voted for coalition, myself included, must take out share of that blame) but he is the person responsible for the catastrophic mishandling of the implementation and representation of it, and a big part of the reason Labour, why a party which introduced and then trebled tuition fees, can still point at them like an albatross round our necks.

  • The British Press, bless them, are not known for their nuance and balance. His name will be "Sir Vince Cable, the man who privatised the mail" - whether he wins the leadership or not, tbh.

  • Ten years ago he declared that by his own reckoning, he was too old. I do not believe he has got younger in that time.
All that said? I'll give him a fair hearing at hustings. He'll have his chance to impress me. I just don't see him doing it.

So far, to my knowledge, the field looks like this:

Definitely not standing: Jo Swinson, Jamie Stone, Layla Moran, Tom Brake, Tim Farron, Alistair Carmichael
Probably not standing: Stephen Lloyd, Wera Hobhouse, Christine Jardine
Probably standing: Norman Lamb, Ed Davey
Definitely standing: Vince Cable

If anyone else declares that they are definitely standing I shall go into my reasons further, but based on Ds&Ps, and subject to persuasion at hustings, I expect my ballot to look like this:
  1. RON
  2. Davey
  3. Cable
  4. resigning from the party
  5. Lamb
There has been talk that there might be an online ballot this time, rather than a paper one. If that is the case I shall lobby very hard indeed for it to have at least one free text box for write in candidates and/or voting RON. Voters should be able to express their displeasure at the options on the ballot on any and every ballot, this one included.

Date: Tuesday, June 20th, 2017 05:03 pm (UTC)
hilarita: trefoil carving (Default)
From: [personal profile] hilarita
OK. Collectively, we all have our heads up our arses. It almost makes me pissed off enough to want to try to become an MP, so that in the next decade, we can have more options for NOT SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT. AGAIN.
I only *joined* this party in 2015 (though I've been voting for it for rather longer). Could we not manage five minutes without trying to tear ourselves apart? (OK, I will admit that the Labour Party also have form at this kind of fuckwittery.)

Date: Tuesday, June 20th, 2017 09:09 pm (UTC)

Date: Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 05:49 pm (UTC)
hilarita: trefoil carving (Default)
From: [personal profile] hilarita
I do like that the LDs seem to allow you to go from "I've just joined the party" to "be on srs committees and so on" quite quickly, given how many people I know (online, offline, weird liminal spaces in between) who've done that. But that's also quite terrifying.

Date: Tuesday, June 20th, 2017 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Laura again

I agree completely.

I am so, so angry with the Lords who pushed Tim into resigning. What on earth did they THINK was going to happen? Paving the way for Lamb and/or Davey? Revenge for him not letting them have Rennard as their leader? Assume Jo would stand but why bother checking? And especially given the bloody constitution required an election anyway!

The best outcome right after the election was an election in which Tim stood (then we can all have a choice about whether we think the Tim Hates The Gays narrative was crippling) or Tim hanging on a bit till Jo (probably the only person who could unite the party right now) was ready. But no, the Lords know better. Who are we, the mere people who do the bloody work, to comment?

In addition to your points against Vince:
- he has his foot permanently jammed down his throat and we could expect a constant stream of embarassing gaffes
- he has a massive ego and thinks he knows everything because he was right about the financial crisis (to be fair this one might not be true - it's just an impression)

The only plus point is that after a short and gaffe-prone leadership, Jo might be ready to step up (or Tim might come out fighting), whereas Davey is younger so we'd be stuck with him for ages. For this reason I'm slightly torn between the order in which to rank Vince and Ed.

Right now, even with the awful resignation speech, I'd give anything for Tim to stand again. Or change the rules so that the leader doesn't have to be an MP. Anything but those three.

Date: Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 10:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Laura again

Fair enough - happy to be corrected on that one.

Still torn on the order of Davey vs Cable - will look to the campaign to convince me I guess :(

Date: Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In more cheerful news, I'm moving back to Sheffield in September. Let's grab a beer in some of that spare time we'll have when we tear up our membership cards in despair at a Lamb leadership and no longer have to deliver leaflets :)

Date: Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 12:54 pm (UTC)
mcgillianaire: (South Park Me)
From: [personal profile] mcgillianaire
Interesting points, don't disagree with much of it. I'm just disappointed Jo Swinson didn't stand.

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