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[personal profile] miss_s_b
In my relentless carping about how people don't pay attention to female bloggers, one thing I neglected to take full account of is that the cycle of the blokosphere not paying attention to women is largely self-perpetuating. There follow a number of gross generalisations:
  • Bloggers, when they first start compiling a reading list, look for bloggers who they like instinctively. This is likely to boil down to someone who appears to think like me
  • For male bloggers, this regularly involves randomly adding male bloggers to their list, and skipping over the females, regardless of whether or not the blogger's sex is apparent from their name.
  • Sometimes they ask for recs. Their largely male circle recs them largely male blogs
  • The cycle continues
The reason that a lot of male bloggers have SOME female bloggers on their lists is that there are some women who write like men. I'm one of them. [personal profile] awesomegore is another.

What can be done about this? Well, boys, I'm going to rec you some female blogs. Regardless of my detestment of positive discrimination (see the post I will be making later today on rules versus guidelines for why this absolutely is not ironic at all, honest guv), it strikes me that you poor little lads can't be expected to go and LOOK for female blogs; you need someone to wave them in your face because your male privilege tells you that if anything is really important, it will be handed to you on a plate. Consider this blog post (and hopefully the comments to it) your plate.

There are more recs in the comments, as well as interesting discussions on the nature of blogging, and boys asserting that they actually do read blogs by women in a not-at-all-predictable way ;)

The List

This list is a by-no-means-exhaustive list of fabulous blogs that I know to be written wholly or mostly by women, currently active and not f-locked, and always interesting. I don't always agree with the content of them, but it's always worth reading. Where I know of it, I have given the Dreamwidth syndicated feed link. Most of these also have syndication on LJ. I present them in alphabetical order for your delectation:I'm dead set certain I have left off some important ones, even out of the ones I already read, because my method for selection was to go down my reading list and copy and paste the ones that jumped out. Do feel free to berate me if you are one of those left out, and leave a nicely formatted link for the boys to follow.

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Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 12:30 pm (UTC)
burkesworks: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkesworks
About half my flist is female, and a fair percentage
of my regular political blogroll are written by women.

How would you define "writing like women" then, if that doesn't apply to you or the awesome Gore (or indeed the amazing [profile] annajaneclare, who writes like a particularly foul-mouthed fishwife with an English doctorate).

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
who writes like a particularly foul-mouthed fishwife with an English doctorate

This is why I like ms_daisy_cutter, though she doesn't often make posts public.


Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
That was me.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
Not that I read many blogs, but the majority of the ones I do read are written by female bloggers. But then I'm not a blogger myself, so who cares what the hell I read? LOL

As to this thing about writing like a man, I'm not quite sure how that works. Are there conspicuous differences between the way men and women write? If so, I can't say I've ever noticed. Unless the men are writing about cars, football and boobs, and then their maleness tends to become a bit more obvious.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
Pffft! I'm no blogger. To me, blogging is when you use t'internet to air intelligent and thought-proking views on important subjects. And that's about as far from what I do on LJ as...one thing is from something else that's very far away from it.

So what makes you believe these "test your blog to see what gender you are" things can be relied upon? They could have been devised by fools with bizarre ideas about gender.

I've known you online for years now, but I can't remember ever thinking you were a bloke. So there.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 02:30 pm (UTC)
matgb: Artwork of 19th century upper class anarchist, text: MatGB (Blogging)
From: [personal profile] matgb
Heh To me, blogging is when you use t'internet to air intelligent and thought-proking views on important subjects.

You can redefine the word as much as you like, but that's not what it means.:
# read, write, or edit a shared on-line journal
# web log: a shared on-line journal where people can post diary entries about their personal experiences and hobbies

That's what you do. You sir, are a blogger.

To be fair, until recently most of LJ was ignored by the rest of blogland, and ignored blogland, but LJ is definitely a blogging platform and you have a blog on it.

In fact, the most successful and useful type of blogging is small interconnected groups of friends talking crap. Only the very small minority of blogs are taking themselves seriously or trying to get noticed.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
talking crap

Now THAT sounds like what I do on LJ! LOL

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
Who could forget your marvellous testes?

Who indeed? ;P

So, it's not that your writing is either masculine or feminine, but that the people who devised the tests falsely associate some writing traits with one gender or the other. The tests must be based on inaccurate stereotypes, and the results should be ignored.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
They are normally based on frequency of word use (iirc stuff about personal pronouns and noun/verb frequency), which is correlated with gender. So not strictly stereotypes, though they do show that relying on category/trait correlations to distinguish overlapping distributions is pretty unreliable. I don't actually know anyone who comes up as female on them, ever.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misfratz.livejournal.com
So anyway, I hear OpenID has a grudge against me. ^ was I.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pmoodie.livejournal.com
I'll have to take one of these tests some time. I'll bet I'd come up as female! LOL

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You appear to have skipped over my dear friend and blogger Caron (carons-musings.blogspot.com)

(Sorry just couldn't resist)

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] linlithgow-libdems.blogspot.com
Drat your black on purple

You appear to have skipped over my dear friend and blogger Caron (http://carons-musings.blogspot.com)

(Sorry just couldn't resist)

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC)
innerbrat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] innerbrat
Can you add my Livejournal?

And [personal profile] liz_marcs, HeliumFlash, Dr. Isis and Sciencewoman

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Lynne Featherstone (http://www.lynnefeatherstone.org/blog.htm), Living Between Wednesdays (http://www.livingbetweenwednesdays.com/) (that's a group blog now, but it was originally just Rachelle), Ros Scott (http://baronessrosscott.blogspot.com/), Scarletdemon (http://scarletdemon.livejournal.com/), Groklaw (http://www.groklaw.net/) (one of the most important blogs out there, run by 'PJ' who keeps herself anonymous but is apparently a grandmother called Pamela Jones).

I'd also second the recommendations above of Innerbrat, Penny Red, Helium Flash, Alix Mortimer and Charlotte Gore.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
ext_51145: (Default)
From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
There was formatting and stuff in there when I typed it...

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
strangefrontier: (ben goldacre : for queen and country)
From: [personal profile] strangefrontier
Oh gosh, I now feel the need to hurriedly blog some actual content into addition to my typical somewhat mindless mumblings. Hmmmmmm, looks like it's time for an intro to the Red Queen effect, as my current project involves host-parasite co-speciation. (Gotta love a scientific hypothesis named after a character from Alice's Adventures in Wonderland!)

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)
el_staplador: (Default)
From: [personal profile] el_staplador
I write like my father. He writes like a drunk.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] awesomegore
It's true. I write like a man. I go out into a shed, spread my legs wide apart, smoke a pipe and scratch my special glue-on beard that I have for this exact purpose.

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindrobber.blogspot.com
The reason that a lot of male bloggers have SOME female bloggers on their lists is that there are some women who write like men. I'm one of them. [info] - personalawesomegore is another.

So if men read you, then that doesn't count, because you count as a man? Except for when you want to complain that people are ignoring you, at which point you count as a woman?

Explain, pls.

Date: Thursday, May 28th, 2009 12:52 pm (UTC)
thescarletribbon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thescarletribbon
i reckon you should actually go into this one further, since you've opened up a dialogue on the matter and because you are trying so diligently to get the ball rolling in new directions. it defeats your purpose to dance away from a prompt/question like this.

(you might have begun to notice i've been reading these entries for a while. i just haven't had any constructive input on the lib dem front. :\ the whole jo swinson fiasco, however, appalls me.)

I'm a woman and would add.....

Date: Monday, May 25th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think you hit the nail on the head with the main problem everyone comes up against: look for bloggers who they like instinctively , I'm not in a position to be able to say whether female bloggers are more effected, some subjects tend to have more of male interest and it's quite possible that women miss out because of the statement above.

To offset this, though I realise there are many blogs completing for attention, yet people don't have to:

a)Place their judgement solely on the first few words of a blog post or how quickly it loads.

b)If you do agree with a post, when you see something you don't completely agree with, what's the big deal? If you just want your opinions echoed, stand in a room and talk to yourself!

c)If people don't post every 2 hours, it doesn't mean they don't post, not everyone is in the position to post full time or continuously over the day.

d)Give a blogger a handful of posts to get some sort of feel for them before judging.

Thanks for bringing up this point Miss s b or Janeway, which ever you'd prefer. I'm going to take this opportunity for shameless self promotion, to add my blog! > Crust Of The Grouch (http://crustofthegrouch.blogspot.com/)

Re: I'm a woman and would add.....

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 04:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Might it also have something to do with the fact that female involvement in politics as a whole is a lot lower? Don't blame men for everything; if there were a greater female market then these problems wouldn't exist.

Re: I'm a woman and would add.....

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 08:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"women who blog about politics tend to blog about other things too"

that's true. But isn't that because we're more well-rounded individuals and the lads are all a bit "single issue"?

And I wouldn't normally be so forward, but since others have and I'm a brand newbie at this blogging lark, here's my own dets:

Julia Smith

In case that's just rank bad manners, I'd also like to mention Sadie's Tavern: http://sadiestavern.blogspot.com/

Re: I'm a woman and would add.....

Date: Thursday, May 28th, 2009 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindrobber.blogspot.com
isn't that because we're more well-rounded individuals and the lads are all a bit "single issue"?

Misandry much?

Lots of male political bloggers post about other stuff. Some of them do so on separate blogs, because they know that the readership for one subject isn't always the same as the readership for others. See, for instance, Dale's West Ham blog. But no, I'm sure it's nothing to do with that, I'm sure it's all just that we're far too limited to be "well-rounded individuals", I'm sure that all the men who write about politics are anal weirdo obsessives.

If you want people to read you, a good start is not to insult half your potential readership.

Yes, I realise I'm tired and crabby, but the point still stands.

Date: Monday, June 29th, 2009 10:43 pm (UTC)
asato_muraki: (Default)
From: [personal profile] asato_muraki
Hi there, Jennie! I'm coming to this a bit late, but I wanted to thank you for the mention of GeekaChicas! (I'm the webmistress there, slowly learning my way around the blogosphere.)

We are, in fact, entirely written by people with two X chromosomes (though we reserve the right to grant honorary Chica status to to a deserving male, it hasn't come up yet).

When I first showed the blog to to people on a few small forums (ones kindly disposed to me and populated by a variety of web-savvy folk) one complaint I got was "It's too femme-oriented." It came from a fella, bless his heart.

My response was to blink very slowly and say, "Oh, really? And water is wet! Oh, no! Whatever shall do?"

It really seemed -- odd is the word I'm groping for, I guess-- to some of the men that I would intentionally make a website that did not cater to their interests, or specifically target them as part of its audience. But it wasn't an exclusionary thing -- I just wanted to make a website that I'd want to visit, is all. Whether or not men would like it never really mattered one way or the other.

Thanks again for the mention!

Date: Monday, June 29th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
asato_muraki: (Default)
From: [personal profile] asato_muraki
I'll pass that along to my homegirls! :) I've been really lucky to have so many sharp, witty and plucky friends. If you ever want to guest blog there, let me know!

Date: Tuesday, June 30th, 2009 01:30 am (UTC)
asato_muraki: (Default)
From: [personal profile] asato_muraki
Ah, the joy of introducing the next generation to the wonders of Geekdom! I know it well. ;) I didn't mean to pressure you, as I know you're a largely political blogger and we tend to skew a bit pop culture-ish, but I'm trying to get some people to post about their other passions (fencing, sailing, horsemanship events). We've yet to have any beer geekery at GC. I know we'll be hoping for a Brit perspective on things Whovian, and you can't have too much book geekery, ever... I try to avoid telling anyone *what* to write, as long as I'm sure they write well and with passion about their topic. So if anything strikes you, just keep us in mind. You'd be like a guest star, or a visiting dignitary! No pressure, though. ;)

Date: Tuesday, June 30th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC)
asato_muraki: (Default)
From: [personal profile] asato_muraki
Coolness! Whenever you're ready, then. (You can email me at uberwench@geekachicas.com if you don't want to discuss details in public.)


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