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Very occasionally I might appear to be a bit partisan about my politics. People think that when I link to things like the Tory Atlas of the World, or pick on Labour posters on Liberal Conspiracy, that I wouldn't pick on my own side like that. Well, that's where you are wrong, people, that's where you are wrong.

I got an email today from a wonk at Cowley Street asking me, as a Lib Dem blogger, to have a look at the party's Euro website and big it up on my blog. I looked at the party's Euro website. And then I took a red pen to it. This is the result:



((click to embiggen))

At the end of the day we can't hope to beat the big two unless we are substantially better than them at shit like this. And yes, I know that they have armies of overpaid mercenaries and we have but a few overstretched volunteers, but I thought one volunteer was worth ten hired men?

E-, Lib Dem site designers. See me after class.

((And yes, I'm still thinking about that other post. My bath was very nice, though, and I finished my book in it - Witches Abroad, again, since you ask))



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Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 06:34 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
the embiggening doesn't work.

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
ginasketch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ginasketch
Ah I see what it is. You put "jpg" on the end. It doesn't need it.

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
Can't access the bigger picture but I agree with your general point.

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 06:50 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
I hang on to your every word cos you're awesome.

Jeez can't you tell that website has been made to look pretty without thinking about the actual function.

Lib Dems have no idea what makes a good website design.

Could I post my own thoughts and you link to it?

Have you a link to the actual website?

Has an idea...

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 06:56 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
Could you get me a copy of the Lib Dem logo and maybe a pic of Nick Clegg...?

You know the saying "Put your money where your mouth is..." I'd like to show that I could do better.

oh sweet baby james

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There is a bit on that map in south essex-north kent that doesn't light up. I guess the people in Dartford aren't allowed a vote.

Andrew (onehourahead.com/blog)

Re: oh sweet baby james

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] softfruit
There are several patches like that. Hover over east and west midlands, and over the NE/NW/Scotland border area.

Re: oh sweet baby james

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkesworks
There is a bit on that map in south essex-north kent that doesn't light up. I guess the people in Dartford aren't allowed a vote.

More ominously for Nick, nor does Sheffield.

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] softfruit
Very much what I was shouting at the screen but not blogging. Though a libby lower down would be a libby that was not waving but drowning...

Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for your comments, Jennie. I am the recipient of the E-, and will take them on board.

Of course, it goes without saying that the party would welcome with open arms anyone who wants to get stuck in and work on the next site, perhaps the one for the General Election? We've more than enough people prepared to say how others could have done the work better, but not so many prepared to help do the actual work!

All the best,

Rob Fenwick

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
PS - there is one bit of your feedback outside of our control - the regions on the map. These are the European electoral regions and have been digitally 'stencilled' from an official EUmap, not our choice!

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
When we have websites with lots of navigation and little blank space, people complain they're too crowded. When we have simpler navigation and blank space, people complain there's not enough content :-)

Mark

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 09:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Happy mediums are good :-)

But I'll also happily admit to being sceptical about comments along the lines of 'white space is wasted' because blank space (used well) isn't wasted, it makes things better.

Look at the Google homepage for example. Someone could condemn it for being a wasteful design disaster as it has all that unused whitespace, but I don't think that many people would agree with them :-)

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
I'm planning to do a mock up of how I would design the site. Just give me a few days.

My criticism of the current site can be found here: http://staceyuk.dreamwidth.org/621953.html

My blog is here: [personal profile] staceyuk

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:38 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
That should say 'critique' rather than 'criticism'. Forgive me it's late. :)

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"Perhaps because Cowley Street is not in easy walking distance for us?" I live in Suffolk... I live to think I'm reasonably fit, but I can't easily walk it :)

I can't speak for Mark, but if this blog is an example of the design you espouse then no, I wouldn't take up that offer either I'm afraid, sorry - I don't mean anything nasty by that, but if you have a portfolio of work somewhere I'm sure Mark would be happy to look at it. I saw a comment below from someone offering a mock-up, and it'll be really good to see that. Seriously. We need more good web designers.

Rob

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Monday, June 1st, 2009 02:49 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
I've got a mock up here if you are interested.

I can upload a live version of the site. The only thing that wouldn't work is the map as I don't have the requisite javascript file.

Regards, Stacey

I would appreciate some feedback if you have the time.

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 09:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Mmm, that doesn't sound good. As far as I'm aware I've always taken up Mat's offer of help (and am very grateful for them), so not sure if other offers from him or yourself have gone astray? If so, do email me details so I can follow up,

Mark

Re: Is it after class yet?

Date: Monday, June 1st, 2009 02:50 pm (UTC)
staceyuk: Funny Sherlock icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] staceyuk
I've got a mock up here if you are interested.

I can upload a live version of the site. The only thing that wouldn't work is the map as I don't have the requisite javascript file.

Regards, Stacey

I would appreciate some feedback if you have the time.

I love this :)

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I love this critique.

Mine was more immediate, via twitter, a coupla weeks ago (http://www.alexfoster.me.uk/2009/05/13/tweets-on-2009-05-13/):

Lib Dems publish manifesto. Unreadable to tritanopes or people who like good graphic design http://tr.im/lb6l #fontwonkery


But I actually like the map - about the only bit I did like. Wavey lines. Bleurgh. Too much white, indeed. Isn't another party all about the blue?

Re: I love this :)

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, but PS - pots and kettles - I can't read most of your navigation links because they're same colour as the swirly background - especially true of the comments box, which I think is missing a black fill. And the form over hangs the available space if your browser isnt' wide enough.

The tiny dark-grey text on black is trying on 30year-old eyes, too.

Re: I love this :)

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, Chrome, want me to bung you a screenshot? - I have uploaded a screenshot to here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/niles/3568142502/

Re: I love this :)

Date: Tuesday, May 26th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
It was indeed missing a black fill, if you're logged in it's there, but logged out users get a different form. Which is an interesting design decision that ought to get fixed—the joys of a beta platform.

Now, hopefully, fixed.

Of course, if you used an OpenID to login to the site permanently you a) wouldn't have this problem and b) would have an identifying link.

And you have an OpenID, and you definitely should be able to code a delegate for your own site. I know this because I managed it, and if I can you definitely can.

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caseytalk.livejournal.com
Amazing Holly doesn't accept OpenID.

Does she tell mummy what to type, or does mummy decide?

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caseytalk.livejournal.com
LOL @ the startled penguin before my user ID. I see everyone else has a six. Who else have you customized and where do you get the time?

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 09:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordofmisrule
Totally agree with the criticism (which was lolworthy). I know that the Lib Dems have fewer resources but sometimes it just feels like the effort put in on stuff like this is about as abundant as Nick Clegg's personality.

Date: Wednesday, May 27th, 2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rhythmaning
Dear god, don't these people actually use the internet?

I guess this proves that all websites need to be thoroughly road tested. Preferably BEFORE they go live!

Did you suggest that have a development site so that people they want to look at a site can look at it before it is live?

And I hope they will pay you for your work!!!

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