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Every frigging year, without fail, some bunch of idiots start up a campaign for us to move permanently to central european time because they want to "increase the hours of daylight". I've got news for you, bozos. The hours of daylight are constant whatever you set your clock at. If you want longer lighter evenings, why don't you get up earlier?

Seriously. I don't get why we have to bugger about wih our clocks twice a year either. Greenwich Mean Time is the standard by which everyone in the world sets their clocks. Why can't we just stick to it, and if YOU want an extra hour of daylight, start work at eight instead of nine. Why do the rest of us have to have our sleep patterns disturbed for the convenience of a bunch of over priveledged office workers?

And don't give me that shit about farmers and cows. Cows can't tell the time.

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Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] longwayround.wordpress.com
Very well put.

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jamie77
...or emigrate to a timezone of their liking so I can help myself to one of their over priveledged office jobs.

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] telegramsam

Oh how I hate daylight stupid time. Bushface extended it by weeks over here a few years ago so now it takes up more than half the year and until it finally expired I was waking up and driving to work in pitch black dark for several weeks which does bad things to my head. *cries*

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] staceyuk
The easiest and more practical solution would be to encourage more flexitime whenever possible. Of course as it involves using common sense and so will be ignored.

Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 10:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
The problem with that is people that have to worry about childcare/schools. Your timings have to match up with dropping them off/picking them up.

Date: Saturday, January 21st, 2012 12:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The flaw in that argument is that the traditional office hours already don't match the traditional school hours.

If you have to commute into an office for 9AM, you're not going to be seeing your kid to the school gates; and even if you work 5 minutes from their school, and leave the office at 5PM sharp, that kid will have been out of school at least an hour and a half by the time you can pick them up.

That's the whole point of flexi-time: if you don't have kids, you don't care about that stuff; if you do, you can shift your hours around and do your share of parenting at least part of the week.

DST, on the other hand, just means both you *and* your kid have to start at 8. How's that supposed to help?

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Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mrs_weasel
As an office worker, I'd be quite happy not to change the clocks, I was always told it was for the benefit of school children, not that I've ever bothered to think about it.

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 08:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] davegodfrey
My work doesn't allow flexitime. It would be nice if the evenings were a bit lighter. TBH it would be nice if the nights were a bit lighter. Even in summer. But then I don't do mornings.

However given that I work 9:30-6 and I'm indoors it doesn't matter when the daylight hours are. I'd be leaving for work at dawn and getting home when its dark regardless of what time they set dawn at. It would make no difference to me. This whinging is only over an hour anyway. I think if they're going to do it they should do it properly and add a good three or four hours. I'd like dawn at about 10am, and then we can have dusk at about 7, even in winter. It'd be good for Wimbledon and the Cricket too. You wouldn't need spotlights. Those two who never stopped playing would have been able to keep going till 3am...

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sfred
I like GMT. I'd much rather arrive at work when it's light (which I'm just about doing this week, arriving at 8) and leave in the dark than vice versa. Arriving in daylight makes me feel awake; it doesn't matter if I get sleepy when I'm leaving.

Date: Wednesday, December 1st, 2010 11:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gominokouhai
My name's pajh and I approve of this blog post.

Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 02:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marahmarie
But OMG, you're not thinking of THE KIDS! THE KIDS can't stand at bus stops in THE DARK in the morning, since it was our idiotic idea to send them to school in "waves" based on their AGES with the youngest starting school invariably at the crack of fucking dawn, so if they do stand in the dark waiting for the bus THE VAMPIRES will come and eat them then Buffy THE VAMPIRE SLAYER will have to come around to defend them and then...ohnoes! How could you even suggest this?

In other words, seriously, dude, DST just SUCKS. Couldn't agree more. :)
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Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 12:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
One of the most jaw-dropping things I ever heard was a piece on BBC R4 in which a Scottish politician* revealed that he had discovered a flaw in the original research which persuaded Parliament to introduce British Summer Time. The research revealed that BST would prevent a large number of fatal traffic accidents involving children on their way home from school. Turns out they failed to investigate at all what would happen to the rate of accidents in the morning, and apparently figures since the change suggest that in fact BST is killing more children in the morning than it saves in the evening. Has this evidence made a whit of difference to the campaigners? Has it my arse.

*Scotland being the part of the UK which is alleged to benefit most from British Summer Time, being Way Up North.

Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 09:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rmc28
Costing the Earth on 27th October told the story exactly opposite: that it was Scottish MPs who forced a vote to return to GMT because of high media attention given to the deaths of schoolchildren in the dark mornings of Scotland. It was only after the experiment was over that it was discovered that there had been a much bigger reduction in children being killed by cars in the lighter evenings, and that overall the permanent-daylight-savings time had reduced child mortality. But the MPs voted to revert to GMT before the evidence was collected.

That's just what the BBC programme says of course, they might be wrong, but you can still listen to it and make up your own mind.

Date: Friday, December 3rd, 2010 11:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
Thanks - that is a more recent programme than the one I was referring to, so may have more up-to-date evidence. I will listen to it before I make any more comments on this issue.

Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 10:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pmoodie
The surest way for them to get more daylight is to piss off to a place nearer the equator, and then we won't have to listen to their whining anymore. Everyone wins! :)

Date: Friday, December 3rd, 2010 05:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marahmarie
I like this idea. Not to mention it will reduce the US population by 99.99% right off the bat - now that I think of that, I LOVE this idea.

Date: Wednesday, January 5th, 2011 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Given the chance, I would piss off. Not possible, sadly.

Date: Thursday, January 6th, 2011 12:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
Sorry to disagree. Just call me an over privileged office worker, if you want.

Date: Thursday, December 2nd, 2010 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neohippie.livejournal.com
Whenever I complain about Daylight Savings Time (and as someone above mentioned, Bush extended it here for some reason, so now it's over half the year that we're not on standard time... so like... how is standard time "standard" anymore?... anyway...)

When I complain about it, I'm told there's some kind of complicated reasons involving saving money on electricity or something, blah blah blah, you just don't understand you stupid person. At least it's not the "farmers and cows" BS anymore, since I always thought that farmers didn't really have a set work schedule. They get up and work when they need to work.

I heard car accidents increase the Monday after "spring forward" because everyone's sleepy after losing an hour of sleep.

And yeah, schoolchildren have to get up before dawn anyway, so I'm not buying that argument either. Whoever decided it was a good idea for the bus to come to pick up your 6 year old at 7 am?

Arizona doesn't do Daylight Savings Time. Maybe I should move there.

Date: Friday, December 3rd, 2010 05:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] marahmarie
There are several states that don't (Arizona, Hawaii) and many other "places", too:


Date: Sunday, December 5th, 2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bagpuss
Most of those locations are very Equatorial (except Arizona) and changing clocks doesn't really make sense when you pretty much always get sunset and sunrise at the same time

Date: Friday, December 3rd, 2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daweaver
There is a discussion to be had about when society wishes to have the sun rise and set, but it's part of a greater debate. Do we wish to organise society around the wants of motorists, do we wish to organise around the desires of yummy mummys, around agricultural labour. The campaign referred to in the original post appears to be doing none of these things, it's trying to actually make the day longer. It's trying to change the laws of physics, and it's no wonder that the Scottish are particularly offended by the idea.

Personally, I strongly suspect that much of Europe has got it wrong: Iberia and much of France are as far west as the UK, but insist on running one hour ahead of solar time. The Benelux, perhaps Switzerland and Germany could also move to UTC and be more accurate. Historically, France did use UTC until 1940, but remained on "Occupation time" even after liberation. And, to this day, Ireland officially runs on UTC+1, but adopts Winter Time of UTC.

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Date: Saturday, January 21st, 2012 12:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I realise this is an old blog post, but I just came upon a fresh link to it, and wanted to point readers towards my campaign, and particularly those of you who feel that there is a greater debate to be had about how to use our time, and what priorities we want in society.

Please if you're curious - even if you want to tell me why I'm wrong - head over to the Campaign for Real Time at http://CamTim.org.uk

Rowan @ CamTim

Some don't have the choice...

Date: Wednesday, December 8th, 2010 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tommybblog.blogspot.com
Just to play devil's advocate...

As a teacher I could easily choose to go into work an hour earlier, but I couldn't then also leave an hour earlier, so wouldn't gain any lightness in the evenings. My hours are solid and immovable.

In all honesty, I don't care either way. A clock change twice a year is the least of all my problems and not having to do it wouldn't really affect me all that much.

Re: Some don't have the choice...

Date: Tuesday, February 22nd, 2011 09:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So the reason you oppose it is purely personal then, and not "the greater good"?


You cannae bend the laws of physics

Date: Thursday, January 6th, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is a topic that infuriates me. You are so right - the amount of day light is fixed. It reminds of those numpties in Indiana whgo wanted to legislate a simpler value for Pi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

It is about time homo sapiens grapsed the fact that we are sometimes bound by physical and mathematic facts and cannot decree everyhting to be to our pleasure or convenience.

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