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Mike Smithson posted this image comparing press circulation figures of ten years ago with now earlier:

Now there are some caveats (we don't know if The Times includes digital subs, and the i is not featured at all) but overall that paints a pretty damning picture of circulation falling off a cliff. No wonder the press get so hysterical all the time. Anyway, I wondered:

Poll #13049 Newspapers
This poll is closed.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 26

Do you buy a newspaper?

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Yes, I pay money for a paper-based newspaper
8 (30.8%)

I pick up a free paper-based newspaper
2 (7.7%)

I have a digital-only subscription
2 (7.7%)

No, I do not pay money to any written news providers, but I read their websites
13 (50.0%)

No, I do not consume written news at all
1 (3.8%)

How much longer are traditional newspapers going to be on sale?

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5 years
7 (29.2%)

10 years
6 (25.0%)

11 (45.8%)

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 02:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sashajwolf
I only read the websites when someone I respect links me to them, but I decided that probably counts for your poll, since it happens several times a day.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 10:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
A few times a month, here.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 02:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Um, poll not got right options: I sometimes pick up a newspaper and sometimes read a paper someone else has bought, but rarely do so.

I read a variety of news sources every day, including some newspaper websites but don't subscribe directly to any.


I think there'll always be a market for non-electronic printed news as it can be dirt cheap and used in a variety of circumstances like, for example, a pub or cafe with copies for patrons to read, etc. And it'll take a long time before most people are more comfortable reading on, say, their phone or e-ink thing, so I think print newspapers will survive, in a somewhat consolidated form, until the baby boomers stop wanting to keep up with the news. And to an extent most of Gen X as well, they'll only really die off when GenY is the oldest workign generation.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
See, I'm not sure that's true- Johnston press are useless and are running both the Echo and the Courier into the ground. But the immediate reaction of the Hudds Examiner to the retraction of the courier was to launch a new, daily, Brighouse and Elland edition which appears to be doing quite well-they saw a gap in the market being vacated by a badly run company and moved into it. Some local papers are thriving, even growing-others are failing.

I suspect they're going to die off, but they may reorganise and retrench-it might be that some group with some gumption scraps the national/local distinction and you get, for example, the Calderdale Mirror that has both local and national coverage and takes adverts for local or national distribution. Scrap all the local papers, but use their setup to have a national/local hybrid, etc, with shared London based national team and then local stuff-to an extent like what Johnston do with the Hebden/Tod editions of their locals, but done better and more ambitiously.

Date: Monday, March 18th, 2013 06:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollymath
This is something like how newspapers work in America -- they get their national/centralized stuff from AP or whatever rather than having their own teams on that level, but the idea's the same -- all papers are local there.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 02:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
Pretty much this. I read newspaper articles when someone links me to them. I used to have the Graun and the Indie in my RSS feeds, til I realised that three-quarters of the headlines were of absolutely no interest to me, and I could rely on other people to point me to the stuff I *am* interested in (actual news, rather than celebrity gossip, political gossip or sport). But currently I get bits of news from the Guardian, Independent, Telegraph and BBC websites, as well as others, most days.

But those figures, bad as they are, still show eight million or so people buying newspapers. Counting people sharing papers or picking up a Metro on the way to work and so on, that's probably still sixteen million people in total reading a paper.

I suspect, though, that we'll see fewer and fewer papers. We'll probably lose one of either the Times or the Torygraph, as they occupy essentially the same place in the ecosystem. Same goes for the Guardian and Independent (Indie'll go first), Mail and Express (Express will go) and Sun and Star (probably the Star will go).

But for at least another twenty years or so, I suspect we'll have a rightish broadsheet, a leftish broadsheet, a mid-market bigot tabloid, a tabloid with breasts in, the Mirror and the FT. The FT *might* go all-digital, but it'll survive no matter what -- people will pay for financial information.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] matgb
Pretty much. The FT is almost certainly long-term secure, I've heard a few interviews with senior types and they know exactly what they're doing to ensure they have a future, and it's very much "be bloody good and get a niche of people that need us to exist and will pay".

However, I have a suspicion-I wonder if the 'quality' end, while lower circulation, has a stronger future, and that both the times and telegraph will survive-the Indy is almost certainly doomed except as a sister to the i, and that might carve out a strong niche because of its different approach.

I think we'll have a left-liberal quality, Teh IndyGraun, a right-churchish quality, the torygraph, and a centrist, impartial, quality, that established a good reputation for strong, unbiased coverage. The Times Of London. I think it'll take time tog et there, but I think that's where Murdoch knows it has to go to survive. The big problem it has is competition, it has a really big behemoth of a competitor within that space online, hence Murdoch jnrs regular, and correct, complaints about the chilling effect of said behemoth's existence-The BBC website is doing as much, if not more, to kill written journalism in the UK than any other factor.

Express is dying, same for the Star, they only exist still because of a weird desire for respectabilty on the part of the pornographer-someone ought to point out to the fool we respect his other publications far more than his "newspapers".

but also see my comment to Jennie above about local papers-it's not what I suspect will happen, but it's what needs to happen for print media to have a mid term future.
Edited Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:58 pm (UTC)

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] magister
I think they'll last more than 10 years, but in a much reduced form and with fewer titles. Possibly with a reduced availability too.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
I am totally stealing that graphic, and running a similar poll, on Monday.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rhythmaning
But don't you share a lot of readers?

Date: Monday, March 18th, 2013 10:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] andrewducker
19 of my 553 and her 282 people are in common.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rhythmaning
A caveat - I sometimes buy a paper, but not every day by any means.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 03:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] telegramsam
I think dead-tree publications (newspapers & magazines at least) are going to become a local phenomenon, and there are always going to be niche interests. The big publications are likely to go digital-only over the next decade or so, however...

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] antisoppist
I pay for a Saturday and Sunday paper and have them delivered at the weekend, partly in order to help keep the village newsagent open. It's usually about Wednesday before I've read all the bits of those I'm interested in and it's a weekend leisurely experience over breakfast/lunch. I don't know if there are different markets for weekend papers and dailies. I read online articles in the week if people point me at them but get most of my happening-now news from the BBC feed on my phone or radio 4.

Date: Saturday, March 16th, 2013 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hellokitsune
I only buy newspapers as bathroom facilities for the critters these days but I usually get my grandfather's leftovers (Mail, Sun & Express - yeah) so it's very rare.

I do visit the Guardian website daily though but only for the crosswords.

Date: Monday, March 18th, 2013 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gwenhwyfaer
My answer would have been different before the i was launched; other than picking up an i whenever I'm out* because it's just so cheap (and because I want the Indy to survive in some form or other, even if just that form!), I pretty much only ever read the Guardian, and then only online, and THEN only with an adblocker or similar.

* of course, I do leave the house less than once a week on average, so still not that often
Edited Date: Monday, March 18th, 2013 06:43 pm (UTC)

Date: Tuesday, March 19th, 2013 08:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] daweaver
It's my understanding that the published figures for The Times exclude its digital edition. According to the Audit Bureau of Circulations' "Reporting Standards for National Newspapers" (PDF), circulation figures for digital editions must not be combined with print editions. (Section D1). The figures quoted appear consistent with print editions only.

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