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I GET that DRIP is significantly less awful with the Lib Dem input than it would have been otherwise. I GET that Lib Dems in government fought hard to get the measly concessions we have got in a horrifically authoritarian bill that will give future secretaries of state for the home office carte blanche to introduce all the powers of the snoopers' charter without parliamentary oversight. I GET that we are the junior partners in a coalition and we can't have everything all our own way. I get that compromise is the only way anything would ever get done under this government, and I voted for the coalition at special conference in full and total knowledge that I was almost certainly signing the electoral death warrant for my party.

You know what?

There are some things that absolutely should be red lines. And when the name of your party is the Liberal Democrats you do NOT shill for a bill which is so profoundly illiberal and undemocratic on the basis that we made it a bit better by inserting a sunset clause (which the next majority govt of EITHER of the the other two big parties will gleefully repeal, even if it DOES take primary legislation to do so) and some bits of safeguard which AREN'T EVEN IN THE BILL but are to be put into a statutory instrument at some point maybe.

No. Fuck that shit.

What next? Greg Mulholland is going to try to tell me that pubcos are OK really and it could be worse?
Adrian Sanders is going to say that it's OK to torture animals if you don't kill them?
Lynne Featherstone will tell me that cutting is fine if you only take off ONE of the labia and not both?

Enough. Enough of this right now.

I want my party back, and I want the people in it that I looked up to and respected to start behaving like they did when I looked up to them and respected them, not like shills for the bloody authoritarian tories.

Date: Tuesday, July 15th, 2014 08:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] el_staplador
He got his bike nicked, if that's any consolation. Though I doubt it.

ETA: sympathy, if not immediately obvious.
Edited Date: Tuesday, July 15th, 2014 08:50 pm (UTC)

Date: Tuesday, July 15th, 2014 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
I'm beginning to think that even if we were to get the party back - and that's far from a given - the current stewards of it have trashed it so much, there's not going to be anything worth having.


Date: Tuesday, July 15th, 2014 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] awesomegore
"Yeah, they're going to cut off a few fingers but if it wasn't for us they'd have taken your thumb too."

The thing about claiming your primary skill and strength is making awful things you don't want ever so slightly less awful is that it's the worst political strategy you could actually come up with. It is an attempt to make craven capitulation to horrifying stuff you object to on a fundamental level some sort of heroic act of self sacrifice.

This strategy is worse than "Don't worry, once Gordon's prime minister they'll see what a great guy he is."

I guess the long game is proving that coalitions are a good thing, better than parties governing on their own... I think I disagree. I think, right now, we needed a Lib Dem party that actually knew what it believed in kicking up the biggest, baddest, nastiest mother of all stinks instead of actually giving this the Nick Clegg Seal of "This Is Okay By Liberals!"

Cos it's not, is it? Not by a long shot.

Re: Grumps

Date: Wednesday, July 16th, 2014 10:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] http://www.nickbarlow.com/blog/
"I guess the long game is proving that coalitions are a good thing, better than parties governing on their own"

This is a message that people keep putting out - we have to show the people that coalition government works - but it completely ignores what makes coalitions work elsewhere. The assumption seems to be that the only way people accept Government working is if everyone in it is in absolute lock-step agreement all the time, rather than to show that a Government where people discuss and argue over legitimate differences can still be effective.

Re: Grumps

Date: Wednesday, July 16th, 2014 11:56 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] andrewhickey.info
I couldn't agree more, and this is what I've been arguing for four years now. A few people in the Parliamentary party get this. Vince does. Tim seems to. I *thought* Julian did. But precious few others, outside the awkward squad on the back benches...

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